Tom Cleverley

Is he all that?

He's no Darren Fletcher

Has a lot of ability on the ball but(historically) you need more that to be a Utd midfielder. 3 matches in, 3 matches in which Utd have struggled when under pressure and he has been anonymous in those periods.

There are other problems with the midfield but he is lightweight, struggles to make any impact defensively and shows little goal threat.

Not enough authority in his play at the moment for the role he is asked to play.

Think there a bigger problems in this team than Cleverley tbf.

He hasn't even played 20 games for us yet.

he isn't all that.

especially if you compare him to the quality players we've let go in his position (Pogba)

but he's doing no worse than Carrick so has seemed to survive season in season out no matter what he does because he's the only player in the squad that can play his position

i still think we would look much better with a PROPER out and out DMF doing the 'dirty' stuff and allowing the likes of Carrick and Cleverley to play further upwards.

p.s. he looked much better playing alongside Joe Allen for Team GB than he does with Carrick who constantly passes the ball sideways and just sits infront of the back 4

Originally Posted by JakeB

Think there a bigger problems in this team than Cleverley tbf.

He hasn't even played 20 games for us yet.

I agree - it would still be nice for him to regain the form of a year ago, though

Originally Posted by Tronics

he isn't all that.

especially if you compare him to the quality players we've let go in his position (Pogba)

but he's doing no worse than Carrick so has seemed to survive season in season out no matter what he does because he's the only player in the squad that can play his position

i still think we would look much better with a PROPER out and out DMF doing the 'dirty' stuff and allowing the likes of Carrick and Cleverley to play further upwards.

p.s. he looked much better playing alongside Joe Allen for Team GB than he does with Carrick who constantly passes the ball sideways and just sits infront of the back 4

So you think Pogba is better than Cleverley right now?

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

I agree - it would still be nice for him to regain the form of a year ago, though

3 games? When the rest of the team were all on form and whisper it quietly, he was inferior to the fat man beside him.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

3 games? When the rest of the team were all on form and whisper it quietly, he was inferior to the fat man beside him.

give it a £#%&!ing rest

I thought he was ace last season, when he played well we played well.

Maybe he needs us to play well for him to shine too.

Early days.

Originally Posted by JakeB

So you think Pogba is better than Cleverley right now?

nope. i just dont think they're that far apart in terms of development.

if Pogba was given the same amount games as Clevs has (whether thats on loan or with us) he probs would have come along much better than he did

Originally Posted by borsuk

give it a £#%&!ing rest

Tibbers LOVES Carrick for some reason. always seems to have a ready made excuse for him but anyone else gets stick

Bit of a myth, based mostly on pre-season friendlies.

Nice and tidy when Utd have the ball, but a complete non entity when the opposition do. Underwhelmed with him atm.

Originally Posted by Tronics

nope. i just dont think they're that far apart in terms of development.

if Pogba was given the same amount games as Clevs has (whether thats on loan or with us) he probs would have come along much better than he did

Cleverley is 23, Pogba is 18. Pogba would have got the same chances of Cleverley (first team or loan) if he'd been a bit more patient.

It's a shame he didn't get more of a chance last season, but he could have maybe waited.

I'm with you all the way tiberian, we lost a spark today that was there when we were annihilating Fulham for that 35 minute period after Rvp's equaliser last week.

I'd take a fully fit and on form Anderson over a fully fit cleverley any day. Doesn't reallly help the kid and his motivation when you've got Ferguson hyping as 'the best midfielder in the land' when had only played 4 games for us or whatever it was.

Originally Posted by borsuk

give it a £#%&!ing rest

No.

However I do not want to turn it into another Anderson discussion though.

Cleverley has not as yet proven he is anything more than a tidy little player, no goal threat, not very creative, a nice tidy nice little footballer with no edge to his game at all so far.

Originally Posted by JakeB

Cleverley is 23, Pogba is 18. Pogba would have got the same chances of Cleverley (first team or loan) if he'd been a bit more patient.

It's a shame he didn't get more of a chance last season, but he could have maybe waited.

patients wasnt the issue. it was our coaching staffs inability to get him involved, even when our first players were off form

he was good enough to play for the first team (in some role) at 17 let alone 18

him and Raheem Sterling stood out whenever we played them in the reserves and look at Sterling now. holding down a place for LFC and keeping out Downing.

Pogba could have done the same for us if he was given a chance when he deserved it. Dont blame him for £#%&!ing off tbh. no point hanging around when the manager doesnt fancy you.

Originally Posted by Tronics

Tibbers LOVES Carrick for some reason. always seems to have a ready made excuse for him but anyone else gets stick

He was shit today, but at least in the past he has proven himself against some of the best teams in Europe. Carrick has top class performances in him, yet to see that from Cleverley.

i am sorry but if somebody complains about cleverley after todays game he is a £#%&!ing tit. Since cleverley was much better compared to that shithouse carrick

He isn't a deep playing midfielder imo. He likes to be involved further forward.