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Absolutely not, if only based on all the players that LVG, Jose and Ole wanted. Why did it all suddenly change when ETH came in? I suspect it was a case of ETH saying go for Antony then, somehow, we ended up paying about £50m over the odds. In fact i'm sure I read somewhere that that's exactly what happened, he was valued about £30m ish then Ajax didn't want to sell for that much, so we slap £80m down. Whatever happened, it's £#%&!ing bonkers and the whole point of having proper structure above the manager is so somewhere along the way someone has the good sense to put a ceiling on what we play for any given player. ETH makes plenty of baffling decisions to these eyes but I think saying "oh he worked with Antony so it's entirely his fault we paid £80m for him" is a very easy stick to beat him with for his detractors. It quite simply should not have got to that stage. If you're ETH, you want the player and the club says it can get him, you're not going to care about the cost because that shouldn't be in the managers remit. Reckon Klopp gave a £#%&! about how much they paid for Nunez, or Guardiola with Kalvin Phillips? We all seem to be stuck with this idea of a Fergie like deity who trains and coaches the players, tactics, scouts players, decides how much to pay etc etc. That's not how top clubs are run, and we've been in the ditch for well over a decade precisely because the glazers thought every manager would be like Fergie and able to work miracles and do the job of 10 men. |
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Do you really want John Murtagh telling Erik ten Hag, sorry he's not worth it? What if Antony had been Mo Salah quality and went to Bayern? The point is they're £#%&!ed either way. Either they're the idiots that paid 3 times (10x?) what Antony was worth, or they're the @#%&!s that don't support the manager and we have Louie van Gaal levels of excuse making. |
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Exactly, no I don't, I want at least 1 if not a few people looking at players and assessing them properly. We could have sent Stevie Wonder to watch Antony play in the eredivisie and figured out he wasn't worth £40m, let alone double that |
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The point is, if the player ends up being shit (like Antony) you then either become the mugs that overpay for players or the mugs who don't support the manager. |
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I’m on the ETH is to blame for Antony. The money spent is obviously mental - but it’s the having worked with such a limited player and thinking he would work in the prem at MUFC which shows insanely bad judgement. And then to play that player, who can’t use his right foot at all, on the right wing and thereby limit 60% of all opportunities to advance that wing because he has to £#%&!ing pull up and cut inside all the £#%&!ing time is a sacking offence in itself.
For the world to bemoan how few goals we score and how little service Hoijlund gets yet ETH still picks the player mostly responsible for our shortcomings is certifiable. I hope we never see Antony in a United shirt again. But given the negligence in transfer fee and wages, he’ll be hanging round like a rotting shit for years. |
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You've never seen him play for Ajax ....
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It's not just on ETH but clubs at our level don't drop top dollar on players they hope will transform them, if you look at Klopp's signings the first few seasons you can see what a sane recruitment strategy looks like. |
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If ETH is to blame for Antony, then why wasn't Jose held accountable for pogba? Or LVG for Di Maria?
You can't have it both ways - either the manager is or is not responsible for every player that walks through the door. Post Glazers it was the same with fergie - reckon he got all the players he wanted? Was he responsible for Bebe, Owen and Obertan? Our structure - at least as it has been for a good while - means we were always at risk of overpaying for players as much as we've ended up with players we (or i should say the manager) didn't really want. Other clubs do it, we've just done it a lot more. |
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That’s why it’s such a blackmark against him……that and sticking with him for so long |
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I don't think ten Hag can be absolved for Antony's price either. I mean it's not as though the guy operates in a vacuum. I think it's highly unlikely that whoever signed off didn't have the discussion with him along the lines of it's vastly over-priced, what do you think? Is he worth it? He obviously said yes. And there's that as well. And trust me, I hate anything that gives me reason to think that little shitbag Sancho had a point. |
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Like they've got a clue. |
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I certainly don't blame every failed transfer on the glazers, but I do blame the fact we have no checks, balances, or semblance of a proper structure on them. Also, if managers are entirely to blame for the players they buy, given we've had 1 decent signing in a decade, are we just unlucky that we've had 4 permanent managers then that can't spot a player? does the blame then not lie with whoever appointed the managers? We have the worst track record in the top flight for transfers in the last decade and it's not even close. |
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