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Unread 22-07-2009, 08:14 AM
BryanRobson'sLiver
 
Default Uk police abusing anti-terrorism legislation

"Give us these powers" they say "and we'll only use them when absolutley necessary"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...le-phone-court
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 08:19 AM
TravellingRed
 
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Doesn't suprise me. Just sneak in legislation under the guise of the terrorism act, sleepwalking into a police state. But then most people are more interested in voting on Big Brother or the X-factor than what our MP's are writing into law.
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 09:04 AM
BryanRobson'sLiver
 
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Originally Posted by TravellingRed81
Doesn't suprise me. Just sneak in legislation under the guise of the terrorism act, sleepwalking into a police state. But then most people are more interested in voting on Big Brother or the X-factor than what our MP's are writing into law.
Bread and circuses for everyone. Has anyone else noticed that coppers now stride around in army fatigues and seem to have more distain for the man on the street? I reckon they are developing more of a them and us mentality and leaving the things that kept coppers grounded to the community support officers and this sort of shit is just going to continue, al queda really did a fucking excellent job on us.
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 09:14 AM
Billy Baroo
 
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Originally Posted by BryanRobson'sLiver
Bread and circuses for everyone. Has anyone else noticed that coppers now stride around in army fatigues and seem to have more distain for the man on the street? I reckon they are developing more of a them and us mentality and leaving the things that kept coppers grounded to the community support officers and this sort of shit is just going to continue, al queda really did a fucking excellent job on us.
the cunts always seem to be doing something other than policing

my flat has a gate at the back for the car park that is accessible by a narrow quirt back lane. Every morning there are about 6 plod cars parked up deliberately out of sight of most and they all sit about drinking coffee and smoking

on sunday i was listening to the cricket via the bbc website and coppers were texting in saying that had mini radios on the beat to listen to the action

i have still never had a good experience with the police and all of them were as a victim of crime rather than perpetrator
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 10:39 AM
rubbernecker
 
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Another less obvious abuse

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Terror law used to stop thousands 'just to balance racial statistics'
The Guardian
17 Jun 2009

Thousands of people are being stopped and searched by the police under counter-terrorism powers simply to provide a racial balance in official statistics, the government's official anti-terror law watchdog has revealed.

Lord Carlile said in his annual report that he has got "ample anecdotal evidence", adding that it was "totally wrong" and an invasion of civil liberties to stop and search people simply to racially balance the statistics.

"I can well understand the concerns of the police that they should be free from allegations of prejudice," he said. "But it is not a good use of precious resources if they waste them on self-evidently unmerited searches."

The official reviewer of counter-terrorist legislation said there was little or no evidence that the use of section 44 stop-and-search powers by the police can prevent an act of terrorism.

"Whilst arrests for other crime have followed searches under the section, none of the many thousands of searches has ever resulted in a conviction for a terrorism offence. Its utility has been questioned publicly and privately by senior Metropolitan police staff with wide experience of terrorism policing," said Carlile.

He added that such searches were stopping between 8,000-10,000 people a month.

Under the Terrorism Act 2000, the "section 44 stops" allow the police to search anyone in a designated area without suspicion that an offence has occurred. But Carlile is critical of the use of the powers used by the Met police, saying he felt "a sense of frustration" that the force did not limit its section 44 authorisations to some boroughs or parts of boroughs but used them across its entire area.

"I cannot see a justification for the whole of the Greater London area being covered permanently. The intention of the section was not to place London under permanent special search powers."

None of the many thousands of searches had ever led to a conviction for a terrorist offence, he said. He noted, too, that the damage done to community relations was "undoubtedly considerable".

Examples of poor, or unnecessary use, of section 44 abounded. "I have evidence of cases where the person stopped is so obviously far from any known terrorism profile that, realistically, there is not the slightest possibility of him/her being a terrorist, and no other feature to justify the stop."

The Met has announced a review of how it uses section 44 powers. And the home secretary, Alan Johnson, is to issue fresh guidance to the police, warning that counter-terrorism must not be used to stop people taking photographs of on-duty officers.

Carlile uses his annual report to endorse complaints from professional and amateur photographers that counter-terror powers are being used to threaten prosecution if pictures are taken of officers on duty.

He said the power was only intended to cover images likely to be of use to a terrorist: "It is inexcusable for police officers ever to use this provision to interfere with the rights of individuals to take photographs." The police had to come to terms with the increased scrutiny of their activities by the public, afforded by equipment such as video-enabled mobile phones. "Police officers who use force or threaten force in this context run the real risk of being prosecuted themselves for one or more of several possible criminal and disciplinary offences," he warned.

He mentioned an incident in which two Austrian tourists were rebuked by officers for photographing Walthamstow bus station, in east London.
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 10:45 AM
BryanRobson'sLiver
 
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Originally Posted by rubbernecker
Another less obvious abuse
The police will always ask for more powers and the government will always limit their powers to what they see is necessary to keep crime down whilst keeping civil liberties. The problem is when terrorist attacks happen on countries with weak governments and the media stirs up a shitstorm weak governments fold to the requests of the police and the media and we the people lose rights because of it.
What fucking reason would stop and search powers help fight terrorism? None whatsoever but its a power that the police wanted so they dressed it up as an anti terrorism measure.
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 10:49 AM
antonin jablonsky
 
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So a couple of honky smackheads get a bit of hassle and BRL's right in their corner but when a black professor is brutalised in his home, he's jammed up the polices arseholes!

Some of these descriptions may have been embellished to have a go at Wales' biggest racist!
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 10:53 AM
BryanRobson'sLiver
 
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Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky
So a couple of honky smackheads get a bit of hassle and BRL's right in their corner but when a black professor is brutalised in his home, he's jammed up the polices arseholes!

Some of these descriptions may have been embellished to have a go at Wales' biggest racist!
Probably more to the point this is in the UK so it means something to me where as the professor was in a badly reported piece about foreign coppers that in reality I couldn't give 2 shits about. I think we in this country too often blur the lines between American and the UK in our thinking
This issue is just another indication of the errosion of our civil liberties and I disagree with it most profoundly.

And to imply I am racist is offensive now go and scoff a leak taff face!
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 10:57 AM
antonin jablonsky
 
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Originally Posted by BryanRobson'sLiver
Probably more to the point this is in the UK so it means something to me where as the professor was in a badly reported piece about foreign coppers that in reality I couldn't give 2 shits about. I think we in this country too often blur the lines between American and the UK in our thinking
This issue is just another indication of the errosion of our civil liberties and I disagree with it most profoundly.

And to imply I am racist is offensive now go and scoff a leak taff face!
Code for black folk and whitey!
 
Unread 22-07-2009, 10:59 AM
Zorg
 
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You just despair don't you. Police 'officers' not even saying they are police officers, refusing to give their details and making up laws on the fucking spot.
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