We should sell Rio this summer.

Originally Posted by Carrick

Take Ferdinand out of the team and you'll soon see how much we need him.

100% correct.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

100% correct.

Thanking you.

Originally Posted by Carrick

Take Ferdinand out of the team and you'll soon see how much we need him.

Or replace him with a player who plays his size, has a set of %@#$&!s and can head a ball and maybe we'll see what we've been missing.

what have we won with that @#%&!

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Or replace him with a player who plays his size, has a set of %@#$&!s and can head a ball and maybe we'll see what we've been missing.

Who do you suggest then??
Who is this faultless, error free centre-half who has the full package??

Originally Posted by puressence

what have we won with that @#%&!

What did we win with Ruud?

- "Flogged to death"

- "Shit midfield infront of him"

Same applies.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

Who do you suggest then??
Who is this faultless, error free centre-half who has the full package??

I'm sorry, you are gonna have to point out where I said anyone was faultless or error free?

Originally Posted by puressence

what have we won with that @#%&!

Well, this is what his 5th season at the Club?
In that time we've won a league title & both domestic Cups.
A pretty average return by our standards & expectations, but hardly the fault of Ferdinand.

Originally Posted by puressence

what have we won with that @#%&!

Terrible argument.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Or replace him with a player who plays his size, has a set of %@#$&!s and can head a ball and maybe we'll see what we've been missing.

For example?

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

I'm sorry, you are gonna have to point out where I said anyone was faultless or error free?

Your critisism of Ferdinand seems to be his lack of 'balls' & 'Kevin Moran style braveness in the air'...well I'd suggest that if Ferdinand had those attributes he'd be the finest centre half in football history.
The perfect centre half.
Therefore, to get anyone better than Ferdinand would be a search for perfection.

I'd say that Vidic has qualities that Rio hasn't got & vice-versa. ie; a great partnership.

Remember Brown & Vidic together a couple of times last season?!
Both going for the same ball, giving away free kicks galore, overly aggressive, no composure, defending too deep etc..

Originally Posted by Carrick

Terrible argument.

Probably not the best argument. What I don't think can be doubted is that in 5 years Rio has not improved significantly and hasn't used any experience gained to provide steel or leadership at the heart of our defence. Tbh I think he's been unreliable and inconsistant this season and hads dissapointed a great deal considering how long he's been at the club. It also cannot be argument that for a 6' 3" centre back he's woeful both in the air and physically in general.

Originally Posted by Carrick

For example?

I've already named the player.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Who let you on here chief?

Guv did, son.

Originally Posted by Torquemada

Guv did, son.

Don't son me, fella.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

Probably not the best argument. What I don't think can be doubted is that in 5 years Rio has not improved significantly and hasn't used any experience gained to provide steel or leadership at the heart of our defence. Tbh I think he's been unreliable and inconsistant this season and hads dissapointed a great deal considering how long he's been at the club. It also cannot be argument that for a 6' 3" centre back he's woeful both in the air and physically in general.

What makes you think he has been inconsistent?

Physically he is very strong. I can't think of many occasions he has been muscled off the ball. Jason Roberts (someone whose game is based on strength and backing into the defender) said he was the strongest defender he has came up against.

Originally Posted by Carrick

What makes you think he has been inconsistent?

Physically he is very strong. I can't think of many occasions he has been muscled off the ball. Jason Roberts (someone whose game is based on strength and backing into the defender) said he was the strongest defender he has came up against.

Watching him play has made me think he's been inconsistent. He's been out-muscled plenty of times this year and his arial ability is pathetic.

Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky

I've already named the player.

Evans?

Don't talk stupid. Outstanding prospect but some way short of first team standard yet. Will most likely be used more as full back after his loan spell terminates before moving to centre half.

um....Rio is our best defender - FACT. I dont give a £#%&! how highly you rate Vidic, Evans or Brown, Rio is the guy who singlehandedly transformed us from laughing stock (literally) to top class defence and he still holds that status.

Vidic is a useful stopgap when Rio is out, but Rio is one of the most important members of our squad and can play at the top for another 5 years probably. Dont underestimate how important that one central defender can be both no the pitch and in the dressing room - have you not learned from Terry's injury?

Also not worth disrupting the good spirit in the dresing room right now. He's not popular with mancs, but he is a decent guy and a great player.

Originally Posted by Carrick

Evans?

Don't talk stupid. Outstanding prospect but some way short of first team standard yet. Will most likely be used more as full back after his loan spell terminates before moving to centre half.

You can't win anything with kids?