Ralf Rangnick

Originally Posted by Buck

He talks a good game in the same way a pundit in a studio can. It's easy to talk about problems when you have no responsibility to do anything about it. The difference is he had some power to do something about it. I was looking forward to his appointment at the time but now I think we should cut ties. It hasn't worked out.

Aye, cut ties just as he should be starting the job he specialises in.

Rangnick won’t be around. He’s a consultant for Murtough.

Originally Posted by Dasilvatwins

Bringing in youth is something I suppose he could have done but it is easier said than done. You can tell they just aren’t ready yet, but who knows? Hindsight is a bastard. What power did he actually have? Players don’t listen to him, he couldn’t sign new players. He couldn’t get the coaches he wanted because he was an interim. Likes of murtough undermining him by telling lingard he can have time off and not telling ralf

His time at United has been shit and I do agree I don’t think he should stay on for that %@#$&! consultants. Mainly because he can’t do a thing unless he’s involved in the day to day dealing and ten hag should be able to do that like you said .

If the academy players weren't ready when he initially took over because he needed results I can understand that as a reason. We were somehow within touching distance of 4th place and perhaps he thought the players had a lot more to give than they were showing under Ole. A lot of people thought that. But over time the results didn't get better, the performances arguably got worse and in the press he was happy to slate the players. If they weren't ready when will they ever be? I don't doubt senior players undermining an "interim" played a part in things becoming toxic but an interim or not he was still the man who selects the team.

Originally Posted by Dasilvatwins

no amount of pressing or training drills can cover our midfielders not being able to pass . Or players losing 50/50s. Not not running enough to cover the ground .

Look at city playing it out from the back under pressure today. Our defence would have collectively shit themselves and gave it away almost instantly.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Pixels pal, pixels, back up your bandwidth....

I respect you both - I just hate final day of the season red-on-red action.

I'm turning over a leaf re beef.

That's it.

Heath new leaf no beef. My campaign slogan.

As for RR - he has been given the chance to cook in the MasterChef final and given some Pot Noodles, Cheesy Wotsits, a Freddo and a can of sugar free Irn Bru.

One simply cannot polish a turd.

Originally Posted by Buck

If the academy players weren't ready when he initially took over because he needed results I can understand that as a reason. We were somehow within touching distance of 4th place and perhaps he thought the players had a lot more to give than they were showing under Ole. A lot of people thought that. But over time the results didn't get better, the performances arguably got worse and in the press he was happy to slate the players. If they weren't ready when will they ever be? I don't doubt senior players undermining an "interim" played a part in things becoming toxic but an interim or not he was still the man who selects the team.

Our academy is the one bright spot in this whole club right now. I don’t blame him for being reluctant to expose them to our poisonous dressing room or an agitated OT to be honest. Let TH make that decision.

Originally Posted by Sharders

Absolutely nothing to do with Managers. 4 or 5 very decent managers with different approaches prove it's the players. Player attitudes and character are pathetic, simple as that. They can't hack it, Instagram generation. The only player who gives a shit is Ronaldo, from the proper generation. Change the recruitment process to get players with the right attitude.

ETH will just be the next casualty.

That’s part of the problem. Different managers with entirely different systems of football. The squad is automatically going to be disjointed if the next manager isn’t allowed to sack off those not suited, and that going to have issues as time goes on.

That looks to have changed now. There seems to now be a cohesive footballing plan coming from murtough that should translate into player sales and purchases.

https://twitter.com/manunitedzone_/status/1528444696196165632?s=21&t=ENQsSU4wNxtc8LsAda_5yQ

Originally Posted by utd99

Agreed, so long as he listens to him. Another round of clean slates is our worst possible scenario.

If reports are true that wan bissaka has been told he can leave, that can surely only come from discussion with rangnick. Not even an attempt to work with him to assess.

I get the impression wan bissaka is a bad influence off the pitch.

Originally Posted by utd99

Keith, he didn’t make us “100% worse” mate. Do you not remember what was going on before he came? It was horrendous. I’ll concede he hasn’t made us better, which is why I’ve never once said he’s done a good job, but I really believe it’s 90% on the players. How much evidence, and how many sackings do we need?

Of course I do. I thought ole wasn’t right from about the Jan or Feb of the previous season and I wanted him sacked. I also knew that an interim wasn’t ever going to achieve much with this bunch of melons. But he’s exacerbated our weaknesses, he’s exposed dressing room divisions and he’s allowed a poor culture and mental weakness to become more pronounced.

I think pretty much anybody that knew the prem league and/or had some relationship with one or two of our players could have created better circumstances. And it really wouldn’t have hidden our weaknesses - anybody with half a brain can see them.

Bruno isn’t a shit footballer - he’s just mentally destroyed. As are the rest of them. They need a psychologist rather than a manager. ETH said his first job is to try and mend the dressing room. Ralf has made it worse - and he’s made it harder for ETH.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

That’s part of the problem. Different managers with entirely different systems of football. The squad is automatically going to be disjointed if the next manager isn’t allowed to sack off those not suited, and that going to have issues as time goes on.

That looks to have changed now. There seems to now be a cohesive footballing plan coming from murtough that should translate into player sales and purchases.

Woodward and Judge obviously came up with this clever notion of asset values and its effect on the book value of the club without once considering the liability on the football side; it £#%&!ing wrecked us.

Originally Posted by utd99

He was incredibly naïve and backed the wrong horses. Football is no longer about arm round the shoulder, go out and enjoy yourself tactics.

They weren’t his tactics.

Don’t know what you think the correct man management should have been under dynamics of the glazers and Woodward this past decade, but I’d suggest it’s probably closer to what Ole was like in private than what mourinho or Van gaal were.

And none of us have any idea what he was like in private. Seeing that molde documentary a while ago, he was very much the fatherly disciplinarian with his players. Which is probably the way to be with modern players.

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

Of course I do. I thought ole wasn’t right from about the Jan or Feb of the previous season and I wanted him sacked. I also knew that an interim wasn’t ever going to achieve much with this bunch of melons. But he’s exacerbated our weaknesses, he’s exposed dressing room divisions and he’s allowed a poor culture and mental weakness to become more pronounced.

I think pretty much anybody that knew the prem league and/or had some relationship with one or two of our players could have created better circumstances. And it really wouldn’t have hidden our weaknesses - anybody with half a brain can see them.

Bruno isn’t a shit footballer - he’s just mentally destroyed. As are the rest of them. They need a psychologist rather than a manager. ETH said his first job is to try and mend the dressing room. Ralf has made it worse - and he’s made it harder for ETH.

Fair enough. I think he was on a hiding to nothing and I’m skeptical anyone could have done much more given the circumstances. But I’d still rather have had an interim followed by the man we wanted than to have gone with someone like Conte just because they were available. It would have been 18 months of chaos followed by the whole circus yet again.

Originally Posted by utd99

Woodward and Judge obviously came up with this clever notion of asset values and its effect on the book value of the club without once considering the liability on the football side; it £#%&!ing wrecked us.

100%

This all stems from the perceived asset value of players like Pogba. It’s why Mou was out the door for daring to question the commitment of United’s biggest monetary asset. I’m sure adidas have influence over this too.

Woodward is largely to blame for all of this. The glazers could still asset strip us and we should still be successful.

Originally Posted by dunk

https://twitter.com/manunitedzone_/s...Nxtc8LsAda_5yQ

This is something I didn't have an issue with. What the hell did Carlos Queiroz and Rene Meulensteen achieve as players?

Originally Posted by utd99

Woodward and Judge obviously came up with this clever notion of asset values and its effect on the book value of the club without once considering the liability on the football side; it f***ing wrecked us.

I recall reading once, may have been in the fanzine, that Woodward was of the impression that 5 galacticos and you win the European cup. There was also the fact that wage bills usually reflect success.

When all is said and done, Woodward’s job was to hit the short run financial targets and returns for the glazer family. His commercially based strategy did that. That’s the ultimate root cause. Maybe they’ve changed strategy now, as an exit strategy.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

They weren’t his tactics.

Dong know what you think the correct man management should have been under dynamics of the glazers and Woodward this past decade, but I’d suggest it’s probably closer to what Ole was like in private than what mourinho or Van gaal were.

And none of us have any idea what he was like in private. Seeing that molde documentary a while ago, he was very much the fatherly disciplinarian with his players. Which is probably the way to be with modern players.

I think the molde players are probably more grounded, humble and receptive to that approach than our overpaid prima donnas and their endless entourages are. He made me a skeptic when he first suggested we should build the team around Pogba and lost me completely when he refused to drop, or even sub, Rashford. It all smacked of cozying up to me.

Originally Posted by utd99

But I’d still rather have had an interim followed by the man we wanted than to have gone with someone like Conte just because they were available. It would have been 18 months of chaos followed by the whole circus yet again.

Absolutely.

Ten hag is without doubt the best manager we will get over the next decade. He will succeed if he is given the authority over the players, backed with sales and purchases and backed if things are initially a struggle on the pitch. He will fail if he isn’t.

Basically, it’s all on the structure above ten hag rather than ten hag himself.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

It makes zero sense, would love the shithouse to back it up.....

Back up what? Disagreeing with you?

Oooh ooh permission for lip to wobble uncontrollably.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

I recall reading once, may have been in the fanzine, that Woodward was of the impression that 5 galacticos and you win the European cup. There was also the fact that wage bills usually reflect success.

When all is said and done, Woodward’s job was to hit the short run financial targets and returns for the glazer family. His commercially based strategy did that. That’s the ultimate root cause. Maybe they’ve changed strategy now, as an exit strategy.

They probably do; the obvious caveat being that you have to spend the wage bill on someone half decent or it doesn’t work. Let’s hope this new crowd learn something from his utter ineptitude.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Absolutely.

Ten hag is without doubt the best manager we will get over the next decade. He will succeed if he is given the authority over the players, backed with sales and purchases and backed if things are initially a struggle on the pitch. He will fail if he isn’t.

Basically, it’s all on the structure above ten hag rather than ten hag himself.

That goes for the fans too. We love talking about four and five year rebuilds until it comes to living it game by game. Then it usually ends up being three months before the first TONIGHT thread pops up.

Originally Posted by utd99

That goes for the fans too. We love talking about four and five year rebuilds until it comes to living it game by game. Then it usually ends up being three months before the first TONIGHT thread pops up.

Let's be honest, what we say on here means £#%&! all. The matchgoing fans are largely very good at backing the players and manager - apart from a few notable exceptions this season when they rightly lost patience with some absolutely disgraceful results.

There's no other team in this country that would have got 74,000 home fans every game to watch the utter tripe United have served up. The fans have shown levels of loyalty far beyond anything the players have deserved.

exhibit A

https://twitter.com/sampilger/status/1528431620595777537