ETH surveillance 22/23

Originally Posted by tatty

How many managers are we going to go through the pantomime with until the penny drops.

It is the owners.

The club buys huge stars to please the sponsors…those players don’t want to play for United because they know it’s rotting…and their attitude consequently stinks because they know they’re bullet proof.

Accepting that the Glazer’s are going nowhere means accepting what United actually is now…not what it was…and planning a way out accordingly.

Not going to happen though so the only solution I can see is a few years of mid table finishes that keep the club out of Europe and diminishing in fans and sponsors eyes.

It's a complete cop out that tbf. How many hundreds of millions does a manager need to spend to create a team that looks semi functional. The Glazers do not coach the team.

Every manager since Fergie?

I’ve lost count how many it is, 5?

Originally Posted by tatty

Every manager since Fergie?

I’ve lost count how many it is, 5?

Might need its own thread that pal. This one is about the current manager who now has the worse record out of all of them in the prem history for United in one season

Originally Posted by Coracao

It's a complete cop out that tbf. How many hundreds of millions does a manager need to spend to create a team that looks semi functional. The Glazers do not coach the team.

that’s the worse thing about it.
We don’t even look half decent at best.

Relagation candidates Forest away and before the game some were saying they’d take a draw.
How low can the bar be but yet they still back him.

gone off him big time

i don’t see any redeeming features from him at all.

Originally Posted by plopborsky

Eth can £#%&! off, I have no clue what his sides try to do and whatever that is he sticks with it even when we get shit on in big games.

I think I knew it was him when we half showed up in the fa cup final. Get rid

Originally Posted by tatty

How many managers are we going to go through the pantomime with until the penny drops.

It is the owners.

The club buys huge stars to please the sponsors…those players don’t want to play for United because they know it’s rotting…and their attitude consequently stinks because they know they’re bullet proof.

Accepting that the Glazer’s are going nowhere means accepting what United actually is now…not what it was…and planning a way out accordingly.

Not going to happen though so the only solution I can see is a few years of mid table finishes that keep the club out of Europe and diminishing in fans and sponsors eyes.

Don’t agree with any of this tbh and it’s just a lazy excuse now. Under this regime we had a manager who took us to three European cup finals and churned out a league none of us expected by buying a player coming to the end of his career.

The choice of managers has been shocking since but they’ve all been supported financially. It happens and it happened to us when busby left, the problem is that we all have this feeling that we’ve got a divine right to win leagues and European trophies when it’s simply not the case. We didn’t do it for 26 years and we might not again for the same time and if that means changing the manager ever time it fails until we get it right then that’s football. The owners won’t make any difference.

Originally Posted by marlo

https://x.com/madnessfc4/status/1741...Nn5G1bnpwj1gww

If this was mourinho or rangnick the masses in here would be calling for them to be sacked but because it’s your Dutch faux tactician there’s always an excuse.

he hasn’t improved us in anyway since coming in and if anything we are worse.

I said in the summer that we should just buy forwards as we are so easily to play against but as a stepping stone we can be a “you score 2, we score 3” sort of team like Liverpool that slowly tighten up the midfield and build from there

Instead we are the worse of both worlds we are easily to score against and we struggle to score
This man is an abomination.
2nd season running and we are celebrating with “relief” our striker scoring a goal. Happened when weghorst nearly cried on his knees after scoring a goal and now the same with Hojlund
I thought we had standards that sancho wasn’t playing up to?
Luton town have score more goals that us, can you lot even name 2 of their forwards?
But yeah all he needs is time and his own squad. We will be in bigger trouble that if we let that happen.

Every other game we are soundly beaten mostly by teams with managers who have spent less and even been in the job a shorter period.

We’ve been unlucky with injuries but it’s only because you lot have a obsession with the coach that you aren’t questioning all our players keep getting muscle injuries while we also look the most legged during games…..

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No manager comes in to a blank slate. They inherit problems, otherwise the previous incumbent wouldn't have been sacked.

At least 3 that we have appointed have spoken publicly about the problems, not the owners, but the dressing room and the culture (this is partly down to the non football management).

That culture has been so toxic and we can see it unfolding with Sancho and Martial as well as the previous.

ETH clearly won't tolerate some of the shit that goes on so he has caused more upheaval, thankfully. We need to get the culture sorted before we can get back on track.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

No manager comes in to a blank slate. They inherit problems, otherwise the previous incumbent wouldn't have been sacked.

At least 3 that we have appointed have spoken publicly about the problems, not the owners, but the dressing room and the culture (this is partly down to the non football management).

That culture has been so toxic and we can see it unfolding with Sancho and Martial as well as the previous.

ETH clearly won't tolerate some of the shit that goes on so he has caused more upheaval, thankfully. We need to get the culture sorted before we can get back on track.

Again I just don’t buy in to it. Yes there are players who aren’t good enough so just move them on or if you can’t don’t play them. Their careers are short and every one of them goes in to the career hoping theyll have some success. What we’re trying to suggest is that some @#%&! from Brazil has got a personal anti United agenda and wants to £#%&! them up so he doesn’t win anything, it’s pretty mental.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

No manager comes in to a blank slate. They inherit problems, otherwise the previous incumbent wouldn't have been sacked.

At least 3 that we have appointed have spoken publicly about the problems, not the owners, but the dressing room and the culture (this is partly down to the non football management).

That culture has been so toxic and we can see it unfolding with Sancho and Martial as well as the previous.

ETH clearly won't tolerate some of the shit that goes on so he has caused more upheaval, thankfully. We need to get the culture sorted before we can get back on track.

Completely agree. Will get a lot worse and way more toxic imo.

Originally Posted by believe

Don’t agree with any of this tbh and it’s just a lazy excuse now. Under this regime we had a manager who took us to three European cup finals and churned out a league none of us expected by buying a player coming to the end of his career.

The choice of managers has been shocking since but they’ve all been supported financially. It happens and it happened to us when busby left, the problem is that we all have this feeling that we’ve got a divine right to win leagues and European trophies when it’s simply not the case. We didn’t do it for 26 years and we might not again for the same time and if that means changing the manager ever time it fails until we get it right then that’s football. The owners won’t make any difference.

So the managers have all been wrong for the job
The players have been expensive flops
The chief execs have been wrong for the job
Having to sell before we can buy because we're sailing so close to the FFP wind

But the owners are fine?

You can't use the greatest manager of all time as an example of the Glazers being decent owners, that's just disingenuous. Ferguson succeeded at an Aberdeen side that didn't even have a training ground and won a European trophy v Real Madrid ffs. He was an anomaly, a genius.

From what we've seen in articles recently the club has been run shambolically - over the last 10 year in particular. I would dare say that the signs were there in the later days of Ferguson's tenure, standards had started to slip already. Dragging players out of retirement to plug gaps, squeezing the absolute last drops out of Giggs, Ferdinand, Vidic, etc. There was £#%&! all succession planning. Meanwhile the other lot across Manchester were building the spine of a squad that would go on to dominate for 10 years.

Being good and proper owners isn't simply finding the cash from the company coffers to throw at players when it suits. It's about a top-to-bottom strategy set up for sporting success. Getting the right people in the right positions and more importantly, getting rid of those that aren't up to it. There's absolutely none of that at United.

To suggest that we should just keep rolling the dice on managers until we somehow stumble up another "Alex Ferguson" is one of the dumbest £#%&!ing things i've ever read.

Well you’ve just proved my point Ferguson did what he did at Aberdeen because he was a great manager. Last season everyone said ten hag did amazing because he got us to a league cup final, was that because he was a good manager or because the owners were shit?’ It’s all so contradictory.

Last month we were the form team in the league and anyone who said the manager was shit was a mug. Now we’re the worst form team in the league and it’s not the managers fault it was owners who’ve been here for nearly 20 years.

It’s clearly a combination of lots of issues and I doubt any manager could be truly successful under the glazer structure. But other managers would possibly perform better than ten hag.

Originally Posted by believe

Well you’ve just proved my point Ferguson did what he did at Aberdeen because he was a great manager. Last season everyone said ten hag did amazing because he got us to a league cup final, was that because he was a good manager or because the owners were shit?’ It’s all so contradictory.

Last month we were the form team in the league and anyone who said the manager was shit was a mug. Now we’re the worst form team in the league and it’s not the managers fault it was owners who’ve been here for nearly 20 years.

Isolated moments of form don't prove anything. There's a reason no manager here has managed more than one or half a season of decent results. It constantly falls apart after 18 months. There's a consistent pattern of failure under multiple managers.

Maybe the club isn't set up properly for sustained success?

We have terrible owners, who;
Hired terrible CEO’s, who;
Hired unsuitable managers, who;
Bought the wrong players or couldn’t get a game out of them.

All these things can be true, yet we seem to only emphasize - or offer up as a reason for all this chaos - the ones that suit us and our preferences.

Ten Hag has made some terrible calls, but let’s not over-egg the flan by trying to rewrite history. Maguire was dropped because he was a catastrophe in-waiting and every centre back we had was better. Ronaldo had to go, he made sure of that and was an utter #@&%! about it. DeGea also had to go, we all knew it; the circumstances were not ten Hag’s fault. Sancho had the responsibility to act professional at all times. He gets paid an awful lot of money and represents Man Utd, not ten Hag FC.

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

It’s clearly a combination of lots of issues and I doubt any manager could be truly successful under the glazer structure. But other managers would possibly perform better than ten hag.

Agree. But Ten Hag would probably perform better with a full squad.

Maybe another manager would come in and not decide to play EVERY game (apart from Liverpool away) with a solitary DM though. O genuinely hate saying "get the manager out" because he's under the Glazers and has had terrible luck with injuries. But, he's also making some appalling decisions.

28th game
28th different starting line up
35 Injuries.

Means nothing without context

Originally Posted by Sheik JaBooty

We have terrible owners, who;
Hired terrible CEO’s, who;
Hired unsuitable managers, who;
Bought the wrong players or couldn’t get a game out of them.

All these things can be true, yet we seem to only emphasize - or offer up as a reason for all this chaos - the ones that suit us and our preferences.

Ten Hag has made some terrible calls, but let’s not over-egg the flan by trying to rewrite history. Maguire was dropped because he was a catastrophe in-waiting and every centre back we had was better. Ronaldo had to go, he made sure of that and was an utter #@&%! about it. DeGea also had to go, we all knew it; the circumstances were not ten Hag’s fault. Sancho had the responsibility to act professional at all times. He gets paid an awful lot of money and represents Man Utd, not ten Hag FC.

This is all true.

However, every full-time manager we’ve had since fergie has done better than he is doing this season. Our style of play is worse than it’s ever been, we’re losing more than ever, not one of our forwards is creating chances or scoring goals on a par with how they’ve done in the past, our goal difference is negative and there is even a manager who failed here doing better than ETH at a club with much fewer resources than United under the glazers.

When all is said and done, this United team should easily be in the top four this season. That they’re not is primarily down to the set-up and tactics of one man, and his surname isn’t glazer.