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Unread 06-12-2018, 12:05 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Why would anyone be loyal to a Dutch manager in his sixties who’d been here two years and been shit?

Loyalty to a manger who said he was leaving a year later regardless? So on the off chance he overcomes the problems (one of which was he’d lost the dressing room), he then leaves anyway. The risk/reward ratio didn’t exactly support letting him carry on. Loyalty is to the club and it’s best interests, not individuals earning a fortune.
He had been here less than 18 months at the time. And the answer to your question about the value of loyalty/faith in him is that it may have worked out better than throwing it all out and sitting here three years later under your mate in 8th place in the league.
 
Unread 06-12-2018, 12:07 PM
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Completely as an aside from LVG/Jose, no, Woodward shouldn't be vetoing any players regardless of if he thinks they are 'past it'.

The guy is not has not and never will be a footballing man and is not even remotely qualified to be making those decisions.
Nor should he be OK-ing the sale of the likes of Bailly & Martial & approving chucking money at Willian, Alderweireld, Boateng or any other geriatric Jose fancied chucking in the side for 90 minutes every game until their legs fell off inside 6 months.

Probably why we're in the current standoff situation.
 
Unread 06-12-2018, 12:36 PM
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Nor should he be OK-ing the sale of the likes of Bailly, Blind & Martial & approving chucking money at Willian, Alderweireld, Boateng or any other geriatric Jose fancied chucking in the side for 90 minutes every game until their legs fell off inside 6 months.

Probably why we're in the current standoff situation.
Agreed....
 
Unread 06-12-2018, 12:41 PM
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Completely as an aside from LVG/Jose, no, Woodward shouldn't be vetoing any players regardless of if he thinks they are 'past it'.

The guy is not has not and never will be a footballing man and is not even remotely qualified to be making those decisions.
If it wasn't for Woodward putting his foot down, Martial would not be here.

I have many qualms with Woodward but in the stand off regarding transfers this summer I think only one man had any consideration of the long term ramifications in mind.
 
Unread 06-12-2018, 02:10 PM
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If it wasn't for Woodward putting his foot down, Martial would not be here.

I have many qualms with Woodward but in the stand off regarding transfers this summer I think only one man had any consideration of the long term ramifications in mind.
Agreed.

Also boo-booing the signing of Harry Maguire was also duly noted.
 
Unread 08-12-2018, 01:50 PM
Jammy Dodger
 
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But poor Jose should be given free reign?
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Carry on Dodger you fucking buffoon.
Physician, heal thyself.

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He had been here less than 18 months at the time. And the answer to your question about the value of loyalty/faith in him is that it may have worked out better than throwing it all out and sitting here three years later under your mate in 8th place in the league.
18 months and it was shit, and was leaving 18 months later regardless. If you think that points to taking a risk in continuing then your decision making isn’t the best. The Glazers care about the next set of financial results. That’s it.

How could it have worked out better anyway? Even if he pulled it around before leaving, Woodward would still have appointed a replacement manager who would have completely changed everything. Van gaal was short term desperation to get back in the top 4. From the footballing point of view it was a waste of time given there was no long term plan to continue his ‘philosophy’ once he left.

As for mourinho being my ‘mate’, My approach to him has used the same criteria as my approach to van gaal’s time.

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Nor should he be OK-ing the sale of the likes of Bailly & Martial & approving chucking money at Willian, Alderweireld, Boateng or any other geriatric Jose fancied chucking in the side for 90 minutes every game until their legs fell off inside 6 months.
Right out of woodward’s leak to the media after deadline day. You utter gimp.

He should be okaying the sales of any player a manager wants to sell. Or sack the manager. I don’t think woodward has the skillset to judge the dynamics within the dressing room like the manager has, so he shouldn’t be overruling a manager over a player due to commercial interests. Let a manager manage by giving them the authority to do so, rather than undermining it in full public view because you understand nothing other than spreadsheet figures.

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If it wasn't for Woodward putting his foot down, Martial would not be here.

I have many qualms with Woodward but in the stand off regarding transfers this summer I think only one man had any consideration of the long term ramifications in mind.
And maybe the environment would be better and thus the collective spirit and performance. I guess it’s a good job woodward wasn’t at the club in the past. Fergie would have been prevented from getting rid of whiteside and McGrath and probably beckham.

Woodward was only considering the short and medium term financial considerations as instructed by his bosses. Which I find funny, as it’s his actions being motivated only by finance which has seen us predictably not getting champions league qualification this season, which is their only real footballing ambition and one they expected whilst also putting mourinho in his place.

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Unread 08-12-2018, 03:00 PM
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You’re a fucking fruitcake
 
Unread 08-12-2018, 04:55 PM
Jammy Dodger
 
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You’re a fucking fruitcake
You lose.
 
Unread 08-12-2018, 04:59 PM
dunk
 
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You lose.
Honestly, I don’t. You typed all that bullshit
 
Unread 09-12-2018, 02:41 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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18 months and it was shit, and was leaving 18 months later regardless. If you think that points to taking a risk in continuing then your decision making isn’t the best. The Glazers care about the next set of financial results. That’s it.

How could it have worked out better anyway? Even if he pulled it around before leaving, Woodward would still have appointed a replacement manager who would have completely changed everything. Van gaal was short term desperation to get back in the top 4. From the footballing point of view it was a waste of time given there was no long term plan to continue his ‘philosophy’ once he left.

As for mourinho being my ‘mate’, My approach to him has used the same criteria as my approach to van gaal’s time.
No it hasn't. You describe Van Gaal's performance as shit 18 months in having taken us from a 7th place finish to within a point of the top, with much younger players, yet you are pretty quiet on such assessments of Mourinho spending a fortune to have us 7th.

The argument doesn't make sense anyway. We shouldn't have continued down that path because we weren't going to anyway?
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