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Unread 04-11-2008, 05:51 PM
borsuk
 
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from the independent. maureen's brand of football not winning him too many friends? quelle surprise...


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[SIZE="5"]James Lawton: Italians quick to see through Mourinho's threadbare clothes
Mourinho might be a master of pressure football, but his game did not exactly thrill
[SIZE="1"]Tuesday, 4 November 2008


Jose Mourinho is feeling heat in Italy, more certainly, than at any point in his long and frequently orgiastic relationship with the English media. Perhaps not to the total surprise of some of us, though, there are a few shrewd judges who believe that quite a bit of the pressure and anger has been generated, with delicious irony, by the Special One himself.

He did it partly in a speech that even those who growl that he is a self-obsessed opportunist who will, sooner or later, be exposed for tactical limitations which become obvious when he has to do more than marshal his advantages in power and personnel, will admit was rather brilliant.

He declared that he had been mistaken in his belief that Italy had a deep love of football. The truth was, said Mourinho, Italy did not love football but the contorno.

In other words, Italy likes everything about the game except the playing of it. It loves all that goes around football – the controversy, the rows, the corruption, the shame, the scandal, the outrageous statements of embattled coaches and smug players. It loves to scream and whistle at the villains and, sooner or later, pick holes in the heroes. But the nuances of the game, the ebb and flow of it, the way one team can overwhelm with its discipline and intelligence another, the distinguishing marks of greatness in individual players, well, it is not really of any great importance.

Coming from someone who might be described, especially by Anders Frisk, a former top-line international referee, and certain members of the Berkshire Ambulance Service, as the Grand Wizard of contorno, this is a bracing statement. But even those Italians less than overwhelmed by his early work with Internazionale concede that he has a point.

The trouble is that he made it at a time when the first signs that his Italian honeymoon was beginning to fray were emerging. Now it seems that almost anything that happens in Milan, or his old stronghold of London, or Barcelona, where he seemed to be heading last summer, is seized upon for its anti-Mourinho possibilities: Luiz Felipe Scolari's Chelsea are scoring goals with both freedom and precision and playing the kind of football which always seemed beyond Mourinho; Barcelona's decision to prefer the unheralded coach in their system, Pep Guardiola, to Mourinho is being greeted as a masterstroke along Las Ramblas and, now for the benefit of the Mourinho-baiting, in Milan. It leaves Mourinho, the man who announced early in his Chelsea reign that he was a star of his own movie, drawing reviews that might even bring a wince to the face of Guy Ritchie.

In the early going in Italy every utterance of Mourinho was lovingly recorded and blazed across the front page of the leading sports paper, Gazzetta dello Sport. Reinforced by the approval of such Italian football icons as Marcello Lippi and Arrigo Saachi, Mourinho's move was being watched by a spellbound audience.

Then, something that took several years to dawn on Mourinho's most generous paymaster, Roman Abramovich, was detected rather earlier in San Siro. Mourinho might be a master of pressure football, a superb motivator of committed, hugely rewarded players, but his game did not exactly thrill the senses.

Now the knives are glistening with menace again as Internazionale's rivals Milan, a club widely considered to be in deep crisis at the start of the season, take over the lead of the league that was dominated so comfortably by the team shaped by Mourinho's predecessor, Roberto Mancini. Nor does it help that Ronaldinho and Kaka are finding some authentic Brazilian rhythm in the Milan revival.

The first wave of criticism of Mourinho followed desperate goalless draws with Genoa at home and then in Florence. One front page carried a picture of Mourinho beautifully dressed and coiffed on the day of his appointment and another of him in the dugout with a desperate expression, shorn hair and his usual match-day stubble. Ludicrously, the banner said, "What's happening to you, Mou?" But the underlying point was a dagger in the coach's ribs. He was now a marked man.

Another blow, delivered by one of Italy's most influential football writers, Alberto Cerruti, occupied the entire front page of Gazzeta dello Sport. It was a four-point castigation.

Point one: "No fun. On 3 June, Mourinho promised entertaining football. It was the day he said he wasn't a plonker. The summer's gone and the only entertaining thing we have had so far from Mourinho is that phrase."

Point two: "Inter is not a team but a group of individuals. And it's not true that the coach protects his players if after the first tactical errors he drops them."

Point three: "Only Ibrahimovic [the striker] has proved a key player. You only have to look at the statistics to see his importance. He's the classic tip of the iceberg that hides the limitations of the Nerazurri."

Point four: "The most worrying thing about Mourinho's tactics is the enduring difficulty of the team to shoot and therefore score goals."

There have been a few other problems for Mourinho, notably the fact that he has had to abandon any faith in Adriano, the Brazilian who last season was packed off home to Brazil for a period of reflection on behaviour which was adjudged to be much less than professional. Adriano announced that he was a new man but Mourinho has told him that recent misadventures, including drinking sprees and absence from training, have brought him to the end of the road with Internazionale.

Mourinho is, of course, a long way from facing such a judgement. Sacchi, a revolutionary winning coach with Milan, has declared his faith, pointing out the record with Porto and Chelsea and declares that all that is needed is a little patience. Lippi says that Mourinho is still bedding down and that, at such a formative stage, being one point off the pace is not exactly disaster.

However, as far as the Italian press is concerned the wise men might as well be bellowing a discordant version of "Santa Lucia". The love affair is over and the contorno has never been so laden with rich pickings. You may say this is a dreadful way to treat the Special One, but then it is hard to deny a kind of poetic justice. In England no one played the contorno game more adroitly, or unscrupulously or, at times, more dishonestly than Jose Mourinho. He played it so well it took several years for anyone to take a serious look at his football.

This cannot be said to be happening in Italy. Maybe they have heeded Mourinho's words. Maybe they are beginning to take a peek at what's happening on the field.
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 05:55 PM
koppas
 
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Good article.

Still reckon he will end up at OT, though,
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 05:57 PM
Billy Baroo
 
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ginners won't like the guy ritchie analogy

lawton is a ritchie hater!!
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:02 PM
Fuzzy Dunlop
 
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For such a football genius nation they could have figured this out by watching Porto or Chelsea over the past 5 years. I can't stand the Italians.
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:02 PM
dodger
 
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Had to happen eventually.
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:09 PM
Gypsum Fantastic
 
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Originally Posted by dodger
Had to happen eventually.
Agreed. Lawton's been threatening a decent article for years now.
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:11 PM
Spiffy
 
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Hopefully they'll get shut of him in May.
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:22 PM
puressence
 
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Originally Posted by Spiffy
Hopefully they'll get shut of him in May.
and ferie retires
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:25 PM
Baron
 
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Originally Posted by James Lawton
In England no one played the contorno game more adroitly, or unscrupulously or, at times, more dishonestly than Jose Mourinho. He played it so well it took several years for anyone to take a serious look at his football.
Only if you were a £#%&!ing sycophantic hack lapping up his every word & trying to create some kind of nu-Cloughie whilst ignoring what happened on the pitch.

Winning is not everything. If you buy 20 of the best players going, or at least extremely good, hungry, knowledgable players, then you'll win the league if you can motivate them properly & your rivals are in a transitional phase. As at Chelsea. More so at Porto when he spent more than any of his domestic rivals & won the CL in the year the Portuguese allowed his team to play on the Friday before CL games, the same as the French federation... quelle surprise the final was contested between Monaco & Porto.

He's a £#%&!ing @#%&! bubble that Mourinho & James Lawton is having a potshot now he's not in his £#%&!ing pocket for a soundbite.

Spineless #@&%!.
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:26 PM
Sparky***
 
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maybe, just maybe, it's because inter weren't that good anyway and now Milan have got their shit together and Juventus are back?
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:30 PM
koppas
 
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maybe, just maybe, it's because inter weren't that good anyway and now Milan have got their shit together and Juventus are back?
Yup. Agree with that.
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:33 PM
dodger
 
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Originally Posted by Sparky***
maybe, just maybe, it's because inter weren't that good anyway and now Milan have got their shit together and Juventus are back?
They weren't much cop, as their showing europe proved. But why didn't a wizard like Maureen do something about it? Didn't he spot it? If not, why not?
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:37 PM
Mr_Ed
 
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How the Ital can moan about watching shite turgid football is beyond me... What year was it when the ECL final was at OT and Milan won on Pens? 2004?
 
Unread 04-11-2008, 06:46 PM
Coracao
 
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A little knee-jerk the reactions regarding his Inter side me thinks.

He's been there for 10 league games. Joint second in the league, 1 point behind the leaders. Who they have actually scored more goals than, and have a better goal difference.

I don't really recall Inter playing great football under Mancini. They were just incredibly effective against weakened opponents.

They've also had a fairly difficult start to the season in terms of fixtures.

Roma, Fiorentina & Milan all away so far.
 
Unread 24-11-2008, 12:39 AM
Coracao
 
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3 point lead for Maureen now. Milan £#%&!ed up today and drew. Inter beat Juventus yesterday.
 
Unread 24-11-2008, 06:04 AM
borsuk
 
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Originally Posted by Coracao
3 point lead for Maureen now. Milan £#%&!ed up today and drew. Inter beat Juventus yesterday.
good performance by all accounts.
 
Unread 24-11-2008, 08:04 AM
Jez Quigley
 
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he'll be at OT.

For sure.
 
Unread 24-11-2008, 08:49 AM
waynes ear's
 
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Originally Posted by Jez Quigley
he'll be at OT.

For sure.
and we thought the "4-5-1 United" was £#%&!ing boring to watch
 
Unread 24-11-2008, 09:33 AM
antonin jablonsky
 
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and we thought the "4-5-1 United" was £#%&!ing boring to watch
The Maureen lovers'll be all over you for that. Who cares about the football, the press conferences being entertaining is where it's at. Hope he criticises some more emergency workers without any justification too, that's hilarious.
 
Unread 24-11-2008, 09:59 AM
waynes ear's
 
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Originally Posted by antonin jablonsky
The Maureen lovers'll be all over you for that
who gives a £#%&!ing shit. Maureens tactics were "bore the team to sleep, hit them for one goal, then sit back while i have a sleep no?"

and if people think he's the man for the job when fergie goes then so be it, i think he'd be going against MUFCs attacking history but what am i to know eh
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