Manchester United vs Man City: Official Matchday Thread - 06/11/21 @ 12.30pm

Originally Posted by dunk

Interesting... I'm assured that when LvG was trying to instill exactly that it was the worst thing ever

So what's your point?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

So what's your point?

The players are thick @#%&!s that don't want to work hard.

Never known a united team to give up from the first minute like that.

Originally Posted by dunk

The players are thick @#%&!s that don't want to work hard.

I agree but why don’t they want to work hard? Why aren’t they motivated?

Originally Posted by dunk

The players are thick @#%&!s that don't want to work hard.

A stupid argument

Mostly a completely different team now
LvG was a man well past him best….even more than Mourinho was
His peak was back in the mid 90s ffs

Every proper team is drilled into knowing exactly how the manager wants them to play

Originally Posted by Switching Off

Never known a united team to give up from the first minute like that.

Couldnt believe what I was watching tbh, total surrender from the first kick.

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

A stupid argument

Mostly a completely different team now
LvG was a man well past him best….even more than Mourinho was
His peak was back in the mid 90s ffs

Every proper team is drilled into knowing exactly how the manager wants them to play

It isn't. You're taught from 10 years old to stop the cross. Get to the man as quick as you can and stop the cross. In the 6th minute 2 of them couldn't be arsed. That isn't being unsure of what to do or the manager not telling them to do it, that's just bone-idle stupidity.

Originally Posted by dunk

The players are thick @#%&!s that don't want to work hard.

It's a completely different set of players

Originally Posted by dunk

It isn't. You're taught from 10 years old to stop the cross. Get to the man as quick as you can and stop the cross. In the 6th minute 2 of them couldn't be arsed. That isn't being unsure of what to do or the manager not telling them to do it, that's just bone-idle stupidity.

The same players have been making the same mistakes going back six weeks, why doesn't he drop them? Surely our backups are capable of implementing the basics that a 10 year old can?

As has been alluded to, the players are making more and worse mistakes than usual because they are lacking belief and they are lacking belief because they don't know what they're supposed to be doing. It's all well and good saying they should be doing the basics but the basics don't win you matches and if you know in the tunnel you won't be winning the match it must be pretty demoralising and difficult to execute the basics.

Originally Posted by dunk

It isn't. You're taught from 10 years old to stop the cross. Get to the man as quick as you can and stop the cross. In the 6th minute 2 of them couldn't be arsed. That isn't being unsure of what to do or the manager not telling them to do it, that's just bone-idle stupidity.

The players are paralysed into passivity because they are afraid of getting played around and because they don’t know when they are meant to start closing the opposition down as a team

As for stopping the cross, it’s been a hallmark of Ole’s time in charge that our full backs are always tucked in very close to the CBs which makes it hard to close down crosses

Originally Posted by dunk

It isn't. You're taught from 10 years old to stop the cross. Get to the man as quick as you can and stop the cross. In the 6th minute 2 of them couldn't be arsed. That isn't being unsure of what to do or the manager not telling them to do it, that's just bone-idle stupidity.

Yes, because they know they won’t get a %@#$&!ing. The manager is a gentle yes man and their mate. There’s nothing to fear. I agree they’re lazy bastards but United haven’t somehow randomly assembled a random collection of lazy players. Fernandes wasn’t lazy when he arrived but he is now. They’re not scared of anything or motivated by anything, and on top of that they’re disorganised and confused. All of that is the manager’s job to sort out.

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

The players are paralysed into passivity because they are afraid of getting played around and because they don’t know when they are meant to start closing the opposition down as a team

As for stopping the cross, it’s been a hallmark of Ole’s time in charge that our full backs are always tucked in very close to the CBs which makes it hard to close down crosses

Bruno was the main offender, he wasn't tucked in anywhere and had clearly started on the right of the midfield 3.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Fernandes wasn’t lazy when he arrived but he is now.

This is an indictment. Bruno raised everyone else's standards when he arrived. Now he's being dragged back into the same malaise as everyone.

Ronnie bless him was actually trying to turn back the tide today but what chance does he have.

Originally Posted by dunk

It isn't. You're taught from 10 years old to stop the cross. Get to the man as quick as you can and stop the cross. In the 6th minute 2 of them couldn't be arsed. That isn't being unsure of what to do or the manager not telling them to do it, that's just bone-idle stupidity.

Then the blame still lies with the manager because it’s his player, he signs him, he coaches him, he gets his message across every week.

Either we’ve unwittingly signed a group of lazy players or they don’t believe in or aren’t willing to go the mile for him.

Wasn’t one of Ole’s qualities meant to be that we are no longer signing the wrong kind of player. Cultural reset…. United DNA… yet here we are at the critical point of this spell and they look as hapless and lazy as any player we’ve avoided signing recently.

They can’t do it or he can’t them to do it, but it all ends the same way.

It’s like De Niro says to that dumb nephew who keeps £#%&!ing up in Casino:

“You’re either in on it or too stupid to see what was going on, either way you’re out”

It was worse than Liverpool

Originally Posted by puressence

It was worse than Liverpool

I think it’s always worse when there’s no anger involved. Against the dippers I was angry because we were just totally dominated by a much superior team. Yesterday I just felt pity and didn’t feel angry one bit. When they scored the first most of the people watching it just went “oh” then I don’t think a single person in the room even knew they’d scored the second

I think that’s how it’s going to be now for every match he’s left in charge. Win “oh” lose “oh” etc. it’s a weird feeling to have as a fan.

Originally Posted by puressence

It was worse than Liverpool

Much.

At least Liverpool attacked and looked like a proper team. City just took the absolute piss while not doing that much. And our players felt it. They had nothing - no effort, no ideas, nothing. Humiliating. The team looks broken. Feel much more down after this one than I did after the Liverpool one.

Not helped by Ole's complete lack of response. He has nothing. Front foot. Look in the mirror. The players know it. We know it. But our owners? Who knows? They probably though 2-0 didn't sound that bad.

Originally Posted by dunk

The players are thick @#%&!s that don't want to work hard.

No one comes out of this with any credit. The players have clearly allowed themselves to become demotivated, lazy and feeling sorry for themselves.

They’ll no doubt bounce back under a different manager on on we go but I’ll struggle to forget what utter @#%&! they are. There’s so much that we should admire in this current group and instead, I can’t stand any of them. They’ve let everyone down including the manager, as incompetent as he is.

Soft @#%&!s. The whole club is filled with incompetence, laziness and men who are soft as shit.

I’ve said it before now and ended up back but I genuinely feel I’m done with united now.

Disgusting. The club is a mess from top to bottom.

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

I’ve said it before now and ended up back but I genuinely feel I’m done with united now.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU