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Unread 15-05-2019, 05:02 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Originally Posted by Cream
I sort of buy into the theory that both men are too old school and harsh to connect with the modern player.

They require constant grooming and pampering. Pathetic, really.
Yes, and younger managers like Klopp and Guardiola seem to get this instinctively.

(though let's see how our present not so old manager gets on with this lot in the coming months......)
 
Unread 15-05-2019, 05:43 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Great point

Players wanted feedback by email and then didn't open my messages. How could I manage them?

Start by telling them to fuck off and if they don't like it, find another club.
This is where you need club backing. We'd hear reports at the time that the "senior players" had a direct line to Ed and would report concerns to him. Ideally at that point the club tells the players that refusing to be coached isn't really acceptable.

The same way the club might have told Pogba that going on French TV to throw subbies at Mourinho at the end of last season wasn't really acceptable. When you don't do these things you contribute reducing the manager's authority. Hence Mou talking about discipline needing to come from the top. At most other clubs these days the clubs hold the players to account, not just the manager.

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I'm sure those limitations are in place. In fact, I'd say it's pretty clear given the struggles of every manager since Fergie.

But that doesn't absolve them of any responsibility at all.

Half the players he complained about were his and the rest is kept around. Same with LVG and it'll be the same for Ole once he has a few transfer windows under his belt.

We do this with the players too. Yes, the conditions are shit, but does anyone take any fucking responsibility any more?

I'd love to ask Jose what he thinks were some of the things he did wrong.

Not what went wrong, what HE did wrong.
Of course he wouldn't admit his mistakes. I don't think he's said that players were bought against his wishes, which I'm sure he would have by now. So if Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba and Matic were bought with his approval on huge money and wages and he can't get anything out of them by the end it clearly doesn't reflect too well on him.

But maybe him firing at the club isn't a bad thing. The more pressure on the board to get their act together the slightly better chance we see some progress.
 
Unread 15-05-2019, 05:52 PM
andyroo
 
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Yes, and younger managers like Klopp and Guardiola seem to get this instinctively.

(though let's see how our present not so old manager gets on with this lot in the coming months......)
Mourinho is one year older than Klopp
 
Unread 15-05-2019, 11:09 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Mourinho is one year older than Klopp
Nah, four years - though actually even that makes Klopp a bit older than I thought he was.
 
Unread 16-05-2019, 05:32 AM
puressence
 
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Mourinho is one year older than Klopp
and still has all his own teeth
 
Unread 16-05-2019, 08:43 PM
utd99
 
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I'm sure those limitations are in place. In fact, I'd say it's pretty clear given the struggles of every manager since Fergie.

But that doesn't absolve them of any responsibility at all.

Half the players he complained about were his and the rest is kept around. Same with LVG and it'll be the same for Ole once he has a few transfer windows under his belt.

We do this with the players too. Yes, the conditions are shit, but does anyone take any fucking responsibility any more?

I'd love to ask Jose what he thinks were some of the things he did wrong.

Not what went wrong, what HE did wrong.
He’d probably say things like ‘too generous’ and ‘too patient’.
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