Football, Statistics and the Middle Classes

Originally Posted by Charlestown Rouge

Was thinking that it was unusual to see Trips start a thread and now I know why and the good reasons for it to stay that way for as long as possible.

Love to actually hear what his his "working class" credentials are.

fred's own ben carson, no doubt.

Originally Posted by Jack Duckworth

there speaks a man who has never been to bloomfield rd.

But patronising to suggest the working man don't like stats is it not?

Originally Posted by Ethers

Statistical analysis has absolute nothing to do with the middle classes you absolute berk.

It comes from the US. They're absolutely stat obsessed over there, and in fairness it has some merit. Personally I don't feel it translates as well to a fluid, dynamic game like football, although there's clearly something to be taken from it, if you know what you're doing and are open to new ideas.

There's some truth to this - although at the higher levels, it's the Germans who have used advanced analytics to best effect. One of the metrics they came up with is 'time between touches' and they found, not surprisingly, that good players take less time between their touches. Sounds obvious, but it means they can play out of pressure more easily.

There are some incredible analytic tools available these days, and they are useful for coaches. But I agree with Trippers that they give 'stats bores' a new arsenal of shite to pepper their blogs and articles with. No stat in isolation is very useful, so droning on about 'shots per game', for example, while ignoring the correlating efficiency of those shots is misleading and pointless.

Not sure what any of it has to do with the middle classes.

I've yet to speak to a MC nufootyfan who isn't stat this and stat that, meaningless, usually in no or completely out of context and saying more about what they don't know, than they do.

The same does not apply to my stalwart working class comrades

I get the impression the statto £#%&!wittery isn't driven so much by class prejudice () as by games like Football Manager, and fantasy football shit.

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

I've yet to speak to a MC nufootyfan who isn't stat this and stat that, meaningless, usually in no or completely out of context and saying more about what they don't know, than they do.

Really?

You speak to a lot of mc nufootyfans in the arse end of the west of ireland?

Originally Posted by TripDownMiseryLane

Since the commoditization and gentrification of football that got into full swing with the formation of the premiership and the middle classes discovering the game in 1996, there has been an explosion of meaningless statistical analysis to fill the knowledge void of the nufan, and it makes me me puke And like any plague , it's spreading, even people who know the game are at it.

This so called knowledge is used by these nufans to create the impression that someone who has never kicked a ball in their life or watched hardly any live, has a inkling about the dynamics of the game or how it is, can or should be played. There are exceptions, but they are few.

Take this drivel as an example http://www.theguardian.com/football/...r-united-title Not only will this cretin be walking around priding himself on his 'knowledge' of the game, but he is actually earning a living from it (a very nice middle class one I've no doubt) and his idiotic followers will be quoting the meaningless shite chapter and verse in their offices and over lunch.

Just another example of how football has gone to the dogs, literally

It's not your game mate, stop living in the past.

Evolve or die out. Either way stop complaining.

Originally Posted by Eve_Of_Destruction

oh i know. funny though.

"aannd you'll staaayyy plaaastered"

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Vidal was a notorious misanthope himself, tbf. Got addicted to conspiracy theories in his final years too.

all the best people are.

perhaps there are conspiracies?

There are actual conspiracies, yes. They coincide with conspiracy theorising less than some might wish, however.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

There are actual conspiracies, yes. They coincide with conspiracy theorising less than some might wish, however.

which ones were you thinking of in relation to gore vidal specifically?

Originally Posted by irk

which ones were you thinking of in relation to gore vidal specifically?

Presume he means the 9/11 troofer stuff

Originally Posted by andyroo

Presume he means the 9/11 troofer stuff

9/11 definitely happened, pal. it's no conspiracy

Originally Posted by irk

9/11 definitely happened, pal. it's no conspiracy

I tend to take the Arthur Dent view, I'm not totally convinced New York actually existed so I can't miss it now it's gone.

Originally Posted by andyroo

I tend to take the Arthur Dent view, I'm not totally convinced New York actually existed so I can't miss it now it's gone.

it's all probably just a really long viral advertising campaign for a film

Originally Posted by irk

9/11 definitely happened, pal. it's no conspiracy

Tbf it was a conspiracy. By terrorists.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Tbf it was a conspiracy. By terrorists.

it was more a spur of the moment thing

"let's take a plane"

"what?"

"let's take a plane and crash it... into the... the.. world trade centre"

"you're crazy, Abdul"

"you're chicken, Saeed"

"let's do it"

Originally Posted by andyroo

I tend to take the Arthur Dent view, I'm not totally convinced New York actually existed so I can't miss it now it's gone.

new york has gone?

Originally Posted by Zorg

Tbf it was a conspiracy. By terrorists.

Originally Posted by irk

it was more a spur of the moment thing

"let's take a plane"

"what?"

"let's take a plane and crash it... into the... the.. world trade centre"

"you're crazy, Abdul"

"you're chicken, Saeed"

"let's do it"

btw I presume people know there's a docu about Buckley/Vidal out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzgfQvB2dvA

Can we please stop talking about the Vidal conspiracy before Keith has an aneurysm?
Thanks