“We have a good squad”

Same thing happened with Jose ole ralf and now ETH. Managers not getting their targets, having a shit recruitment, players at the club who shouldn’t be here. Working on one transfer at a time, no plan B , panic buying .

Genuinely if they don’t sign FDJ (in all honesty I can see them paying over the odds for that sesko lad with the de jong money) where does that leave us?

You just cannot compete with mcfred. The season will be done once the window closes. I’d love garner iqbal or savage to step in and prove to be a quality midfielder who changes the team but it’s more wishful thinking and hope at this point.

Rangnick was absolutely correct. It's already clear that it took Brighton all of 10 minutes to figure out they were playing against the same bluffers as last year. This will happen with every other opponent as well.
Doesn’t matter how good the coaching is if the players are too stupid, too shite or couldn't be arsed to follow instructions. It's why Guardiola bought an entire team, Klopp did the same and Conte and Tuchel are also trying similar. If United were a serious football club we would have at least 6 new starters by now with a few more for squad depth. At the very least it changes the mentality of the team and creates uncertainty for the opposition.
EtH should have at least met Rangnick face to face. It might have saved him some of the inevitable pain he's going to experience in giving these already proven duds yet another undeserved chance.
Should have also named his own captain and not lumbered himself having to start a player that will never fit in with the style he has previously been successful with.
In short we're absolutely £#%&!ed and this season takes the record of being a write off before a ball was even kicked.

Originally Posted by Hank Scorpio

Rangnick was absolutely correct. It's already clear that it took Brighton all of 10 minutes to figure out they were playing against the same bluffers as last year. This will happen with every other opponent as well.
Doesn’t matter how good the coaching is if the players are too stupid, too shite or couldn't be arsed to follow instructions. It's why Guardiola bought an entire team, Klopp did the same and Conte and Tuchel are also trying similar. If United were a serious football club we would have at least 6 new starters by now with a few more for squad depth. At the very least it changes the mentality of the team and creates uncertainty for the opposition.
EtH should have at least met Rangnick face to face. It might have saved him some of the inevitable pain he's going to experience in giving these already proven duds yet another undeserved chance.
Should have also named his own captain and not lumbered himself having to start a player that will never fit in with the style he has previously been successful with.
In short we're absolutely £#%&!ed and this season takes the record of being a write off before a ball was even kicked.

Hard to do wholesale changes when the Ole Woodward era lumbered us with shit@#%&!s on massive wages.

We just have to wait for contracts to end.

I mean if Shaw gets a new deal as promised then £#%&! this club.

Originally Posted by saffers

Hard to do wholesale changes when the Ole Woodward era lumbered us with shit@#%&!s on massive wages.

We just have to wait for contracts to end.

I mean if Shaw gets a new deal as promised then £#%&! this club.

LvG/Jose/Ole era.

Woodward's model of asset protection combined with poor signings from all three.

Jose: Sanchez, Grant, Dalot, Bailly, Mkhitaryan, Matic, Fred, Lindelof, Lukaku, Pogba, Zlatan.

Zlatan good, Dalot reasonable, the rest a bag of shit.

Ole: Maguire, Bruno Fernandes, AWB, Beek, Diallo, James, Telles, Ighalo, Pellistri

Bruno good (£#%&! off marlo), James made a profit on, Pellistri wait and see.

It's very much a tallest midget competition between the two of them.

Originally Posted by saffers

Hard to do wholesale changes when the Ole Woodward era lumbered us with shitc***s on massive wages.

We just have to wait for contracts to end.

I mean if Shaw gets a new deal as promised then f*** this club.

That's exactly the point. It's never going to happen. Used to think it was incompetence that led to all our players being way overpaid but it looks like it's a way of holding on to them and not having to make too many changes. The club doesn't seem to care if they're any good once they've been bought and doesn't look to sell anybody.
It's actually far more expensive this way but the only thing they care about is having the cash to service debt and take dividends.

as mentioned in the other thread, clear as day the managers get £#%&! all like the players they want.

Ole wanted Haaland, Bellingham, Tonali, Camavinga, Sancho (a year earlier) etc. got none.

Mou wanted Perisic, Wilian, Alderweireld, Maguire etc. didn’t agree with any of them tbf, but he got none.

LvG wanted Robben, Muller, Vidal etc. got none.

That’s without getting into the players they weren’t allowed to get rid of.

The club are on the road to wrack and ruin and it’s 100% at the feet of the owners and the halfwits they allow to dictate the football side of things, and Joel who applies his business sensibilities to the spending and just like their businesses, £#%&!s it spectacularly.

We can argue about the experience, tactical nous, the merits of their football and their behaviour until the cows come home; every single manager has been £#%&!ed by the club.

Originally Posted by dunk

as mentioned in the other thread, clear as day the managers get £#%&! all like the players they want.

Ole wanted Haaland, Bellingham, Tonali, Camavinga, Sancho (a year earlier) etc. got none.

Mou wanted Perisic, Wilian, Alderweireld, Maguire etc. didn’t agree with any of them tbf, but he got none.

LvG wanted Robben, Muller, Vidal etc. got none.

That’s without getting into the players they weren’t allowed to get rid of.

The club are on the road to wrack and ruin and it’s 100% at the feet of the owners and the halfwits they allow to dictate the football side of things, and Joel who applies his business sensibilities to the spending and just like their businesses, £#%&!s it spectacularly.

We can argue about the experience, tactical nous, the merits of their football and their behaviour until the cows come home; every single manager has been £#%&!ed by the club.

No matter how many times abd how plainly you set this out there are still people on here who won't get it.
The mess the club has become is 100% down to the owners full stop.

Originally Posted by dunk

as mentioned in the other thread, clear as day the managers get £#%&! all like the players they want.

Ole wanted Haaland, Bellingham, Tonali, Camavinga, Sancho (a year earlier) etc. got none.

Mou wanted Perisic, Wilian, Alderweireld, Maguire etc. didn’t agree with any of them tbf, but he got none.

LvG wanted Robben, Muller, Vidal etc. got none.

That’s without getting into the players they weren’t allowed to get rid of.

The club are on the road to wrack and ruin and it’s 100% at the feet of the owners and the halfwits they allow to dictate the football side of things, and Joel who applies his business sensibilities to the spending and just like their businesses, £#%&!s it spectacularly.

We can argue about the experience, tactical nous, the merits of their football and their behaviour until the cows come home; every single manager has been £#%&!ed by the club.

100% this

he's backed himself into a corner to a certain degree and we're gonna have to wait it out.

one of the reasons he got the gig was that he convinced the board the squad wasn't as bad as results showed and he could get a better tune out of them. he can't come in day 1 and say 'i was wrong, i can't coach these crappos'

time to roll your sleeves up erik...

Funny how only a week ago the general consensus was that if we got de Jong it had been a decent summer. Same when Ole brought in Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo and most people thought we’d be challenging for the league.

We all know the issues the owners have brought but they didn’t start the game yesterday saying Ronaldo wasn’t ready and Erikssen was more than capable of playing as the front man. They also didn’t take off Fred before The Scottish Player and then make three absolutely pointless subs at 91 minutes

Don't understand this "the manager doesn't get the players he wants". Under what other manager in the world do you think our business would be Lisandro Martinez, Malacia, Ericksen -- with a seemingly all-or-nothing gambit on FDJ and a bid made for a player he managed at Twente

Mourinho's time likewise characterised by utter shithouse Mourinho players or old stars on huge wages -- which is the Mourinho way.

Now you could say the managers didn't get all the players they wanted (and thank f*** Mourinho wasn't allowed to bring Willian in for example, and thank £#%&! Arnautovic looks dead in the water) -- but the crux of the problem isn't that managers can't buy who they want, its that there's no infrastructure above them to define recruitment strategy for them. Ajax, Juve, City, Liverpool, Bayern etc. etc. -- these clubs aren't dependent upon the manager for recruitment strategy, they all have world class new or proven (Barca boys at City for example) teams in place.

That is what is truly needed -- not to throw even more power into a manager who is there to coach the team and can strand us with an island of forgotten toys if their particular system doesn't work out. The whole ethos of the club should be set from the top and that flows below through the managers style of play. That's how the top, top clubs work now.

They don’t get the important ones pal. A young LB a free signing and LCB from his former club doesn’t represent everything the manager has requested (maybe not entirely the clubs fault on this occasion) nor are any of them vital pieces in a rebuild. The point is the managers have been given players that are alternatives to the players they wanted by our inept (and now sacked) scouting and recruitment department. That’s the problem.

It’s going to take a year for the new system to get up to speed and for the manager to work with them and get them looking for the type of players he wants/needs. That’s why we’re stuck on players he knows so far. The club are utterly clueless.

Originally Posted by ErikvanHaaksbergen

Don't understand this "the manager doesn't get the players he wants". Under what other manager in the world do you think our business would be Lisandro Martinez, Malacia, Ericksen -- with a seemingly all-or-nothing gambit on FDJ and a bid made for a player he managed at Twente

Mourinho's time likewise characterised by utter shithouse Mourinho players or old stars on huge wages -- which is the Mourinho way.

Now you could say the managers didn't get all the players they wanted (and thank f*** Mourinho wasn't allowed to bring Willian in for example, and thank £#%&! Arnautovic looks dead in the water) -- but the crux of the problem isn't that managers can't buy who they want, its that there's no infrastructure above them to define recruitment strategy for them. Ajax, Juve, City, Liverpool, Bayern etc. etc. -- these clubs aren't dependent upon the manager for recruitment strategy, they all have world class new or proven (Barca boys at City for example) teams in place.

That is what is truly needed -- not to throw even more power into a manager who is there to coach the team and can strand us with an island of forgotten toys if their particular system doesn't work out. The whole ethos of the club should be set from the top and that flows below through the managers style of play. That's how the top, top clubs work now.

Getting Sancho a year late. Maguire a year late. Herrera a year late with dodgy lawyers I could go on… LVG public ally coming out and saying certain transfers weren’t backed.

Originally Posted by dunk

They don’t get the important ones pal. A young LB a free signing and LCB from his former club doesn’t represent everything the manager has requested (maybe not entirely the clubs fault on this occasion) nor are any of them vital pieces in a rebuild.

And yet when all is said and done another 80 odd mil will have been spent .. and for what?

That's the point: just more and more money shovelled onto the bonfire for players bought at an individuals whim without any consideration for the greater ethos or needs. Not even blaming ETH .. but 100% these are his targets .. and 100% the club should instead have an actual reputable DoF to identify targets on his behalf just as he worked under at Ajax.

Point was made yesterday that Brighton sold £100 mil of players and looked the same team as last season .. that's because the recruitment/playing ethos runs through the club and that's the most important part to get right here. Not convinced and never was convinced that we've addressed any of the key positions needed with any of the signings so far.