Ole has to be sacked TONIGHT

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Yourey angry at the wrong Norwegian...

He spot on tbf I blame Ronny Johnsson

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

That's great, but the issue is that they hadn't prepared for it already. The Liverpool game wasn't exactly a bolt out of the blue.

They probably have in that there might be a wish list but you can't be contacting your favoured candidate in the summer and say if Ole £#%&!s up at any time will you take it.

I really hope they take the time to get the right person otherwise we are going round in circles. So then the question is who do you want running the show for the next few games Ole, Phelan Carrick?

Originally Posted by Tuco

Disagree, If that was Moyes or Jose in charge on Sunday they would have gone after the final whistle.

and who would be managing on Monday?

Originally Posted by Ethers

I don’t think the board/owners being incompetent is exactly news though is it?

Hedgers has nailed the reason Ole is still in a job, but people are still wetting their nappies because he hasn’t been sacked yet.

Really didn't think reds would call other reds nappy wetters after losing 5-0 at Old Trafford to Liverpool in a game Liverpool actually stopped scoring in out of pity when they could have easily had 8 or 9. Liverpool pitying United at OT ffs.

You're all talking like it was some shock result out of nowhere, some freak cup exit to Barnsley, and people are making knee-jerk demands for the manager's head.

I get that they need to make the right decision and their incompetence has backed them into a corner. But the issue being overlooked here is how much further damage is done the longer he stays and whether waiting too long will actually make things worse. Are we all prepared to watch the same thing again against city, or even worse? How do we know that won't happen, considering the players are clearly devoid of confidence and aren't buying his ideas?

Originally Posted by Tuco

Disagree, If that was Moyes or Jose in charge on Sunday they would have gone after the final whistle.

Yes, this much at least is surely true.

Indeed the latter went just after a much less embarrassing (if still pretty bad) defeat to Liverpool.

Liverpool fans at Preston, singing a song about our manager being our manager.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Really didn't think reds would call other reds nappy wetters after losing 5-0 at Old Trafford to Liverpool in a game Liverpool actually stopped scoring in out of pity when they could have easily had 8 or 9. Liverpool pitying United at OT ffs.

You're all talking like it was some shock result out of nowhere, some freak cup exit to Barnsley, and people are making knee-jerk demands for the manager's head.

I get that they need to make the right decision and their incompetence has backed them into a corner. But the issue being overlooked here is how much further damage is done the longer he stays and whether waiting too long will actually make things worse. Are we all prepared to watch the same thing again against city, or even worse? How do we know that won't happen, considering the players are clearly devoid of confidence and aren't buying his ideas?

How do you know that won’t happen if they give the job to Fletcher

I’m not saying it’s kneejerk to want him gone? I want him gone. I just think it’s pretty obvious he’s on his way, the only issue is when. And there’s some extremely salient points Hedgers has made, that people seem to be ignoring when they’re stamping their feet and demanding him gone yesterday.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

Some of the stuff on here

Be a bit more considered. If Glazer asks if Ole should be sacked the follow up question is 'who do we get to replace him and how much will it all cost?'

Quite normal sensible questions especially given Moyes et al. This job is in the top 3 of club football and the number of people able to cope with it assuming they have the skills and experience is tiny.

The overwhelming majority of this tiny group are in work. Getting one of the others may be difficult and time consuming. So that leaves Conte.

We don't have a suitable caretaker and we have been down that road.

The club is absolutely right to get the right manager and if they have doubts about Conte for whatever reason it would be crazy to appoint him and then have to go through this all again.

It makes perfect sense to leave Ole in post whilst they sort out who will replace him. If we assume they want someone currently employed it needs to be negotiated and they may not be free at the moment.

So if they sack Ole now and the long term target isn't available who runs the team? Unless Conte would take it on a temporary basis - why would he and how unsettling would that be?

Give Ronaldo the job as player manager.

Seriously.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

Liverpool fans at Preston, singing a song about our manager being our manager.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

Liverpool fans at Preston, singing a song about our manager being our manager.

Why are you watching Liverpool play Preston you headcase

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

Liverpool fans at Preston, singing a song about our manager being our manager.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Why are you watching Liverpool play Preston you headcase

Tbf I think Preston is their home town (and possible second team)?

Originally Posted by Ethers

Why are you watching Liverpool play Preston you headcase

Can’t find the remote.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Tbf I think Preston is their home town (and possible second team)?

Well, look at you!

And gender neutral pronouns. Zorg will be pleased.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Tbf I think Preston is their home town (and possible second team)?

Doc is a Two Team Tommy?? Christ almighty, his poor keyboard.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

He spot on tbf I blame Ronny Johnsson



They probably have in that there might be a wish list but you can't be contacting your favoured candidate in the summer and say if Ole f***s up at any time will you take it.

I really hope they take the time to get the right person otherwise we are going round in circles. So then the question is who do you want running the show for the next few games Ole, Phelan Carrick?

Phelan should be able to pull the defence together, a sacrificial change in the coaching staff with Ole hands on if he has it in him.
Coaching expertise can and should be brought in a month six weeks to see a difference.
By Christmas Poch may have left/been sacked, he is the clubs choice I believe.
I think Ole has a lot to offer Utd still. Dof maybe.
but this was always going to be his last season as Manager.

Originally Posted by Zorg

I get that they need to make the right decision and their incompetence has backed them into a corner. But the issue being overlooked here is how much further damage is done the longer he stays and whether waiting too long will actually make things worse. Are we all prepared to watch the same thing again against city, or even worse? How do we know that won't happen, considering the players are clearly devoid of confidence and aren't buying his ideas?

That's the trade off - keep Ole or it's Fletcher/Phelan/Carrick unless you can persuade Conte to be a caretaker, I'd assume he's not towards the top of the list as permanent otherwise he'd be in. If we appoint Conte now that sort of suggests to me the top choices won't come or they are still negotiating.

You'd assume that now some serious conversations are being held at arms length as now potential managers can see the opening where before it was 'what if'.

The problem is this is Manchester United not Cheltenham Town where you'd have dozens to choose from.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Doc is a Two Team Tommy?? Christ almighty, his poor keyboard.

It’s fine. Internet hasn’t made it to Preston yet.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

Can’t find the remote.



Well, look at you!

And gender neutral pronouns. Zorg will be pleased.

Well maybe it is justifiable for you of all people

Originally Posted by Ronny

Phelan should be able to pull the defence together, a sacrificial change in the coaching staff with Ole hands on if he has it in him.
Coaching expertise can and should be brought in a month six weeks to see a difference.
By Christmas Poch may have left/been sacked, he is the clubs choice I believe.
I think Ole has a lot to offer Utd still. Dof maybe.
but this was always going to be his last season as Manager.

I sort of agree but who would this coach be - someone with sufficient expertise and %@#$&!s to step up. We have the same problem as finding a manager, anyone who fits the bill is working.

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Well maybe it is justifiable for you of all people

Amazing how one joke, one time, has stuck for about ten years.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Really didn't think reds would call other reds nappy wetters after losing 5-0 at Old Trafford to Liverpool in a game Liverpool actually stopped scoring in out of pity when they could have easily had 8 or 9. Liverpool pitying United at OT ffs.

You're all talking like it was some shock result out of nowhere, some freak cup exit to Barnsley, and people are making knee-jerk demands for the manager's head.

I get that they need to make the right decision and their incompetence has backed them into a corner. But the issue being overlooked here is how much further damage is done the longer he stays and whether waiting too long will actually make things worse. Are we all prepared to watch the same thing again against city, or even worse? How do we know that won't happen, considering the players are clearly devoid of confidence and aren't buying his ideas?

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Sometimes a manager just hits a wall too. And that’s happened here. He’s better than this. He’s been better than this…. But when something is THIS bad, it just has to end…. And the season is still alive, particularly in the champions league.