Pochettino threatens to quit if Spurs win the CL.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Who else do you want to dole it out to, the tea lady?

Every manager £#%&!s up at times and deserves criticism. But the managers aren’t the primary reason we are where we are.

Woodward -along with the board- picks the managers. The managers pick the players to bring in, the players to promote, a style of play and make it all work. They didn’t; neither of them. That’s a little bit more than a manager ‘£#%&!ing up at times’.

I have no problem criticizing Woodward; if someone in his finance department had this record after 6 years, they’d be gone. But it was the week to week, season to season performance of the managers and players that got us here.

Originally Posted by utd99

Woodward -along with the board- picks the managers. The managers pick the players to bring in, the players to promote, a style of play and make it all work. They didn’t; neither of them. That’s a little bit more than a manager ‘£#%&!ing up at times’.

I have no problem criticizing Woodward; if someone in his finance department had this record after 6 years, they’d be gone. But it was the week to week, season to season performance of the managers and players that got us here.

Along with Woodward and the board tbf.

Surely the board having no real long term vision and appointing three very different managers in 6 years is a bigger reason why we're in this mess?

Get the structure right above the manager and it makes the managers job that much easier. Liverpool, City and Spurs have proven that.

All three of the previous managers made big mistakes, don’t think any one can disagree with that. But the way the club is run I have my doubts whether any manger in world football could make it work tbh.

Woodward and the board don’t pick the players mate. They may decide a certain player is too expensive or set limits -ala Perisic- but they’re not out there scouting and foisting players van Gaal and Mourinho don’t want onto them. All this speculation that players like Di Maria were Woodward buys is just that, speculation; it’s highly unlikely, and only serves as an excuse for the shit job they did.

There’s obviously some truth to withdrawal of support for Mourinho when it comes to McGuire or other defenders he wanted, but do you think it’s unreasonable for the people running the club to ask what happened to the three defenders he’s already bought, and why they’re not playing? He had six centre backs and couldn’t get a tune out of any of them.

Originally Posted by utd99

Woodward -along with the board- picks the managers. The managers pick the players to bring in, the players to promote, a style of play and make it all work. They didn’t; neither of them. That’s a little bit more than a manager ‘£#%&!ing up at times’.

I have no problem criticizing Woodward; if someone in his finance department had this record after 6 years, they’d be gone. But it was the week to week, season to season performance of the managers and players that got us here.

A big part of the issues at old Trafford are caused by contracts impacting squad dynamics as well as managers having their transfer plans in and out either hampered or outright blocked. Another big issue is woodward valuing certain players above the manager, removing their authority over said players and ending up with the type of dressing room we have. I guess you don’t think woodward and the commercial department have any impact on the team or the job the manager wants to do though, so we’ll never agree.

Originally Posted by utd99

Woodward and the board don’t pick the players mate. They may decide a certain player is too expensive or set limits -ala Perisic- but they’re not out there scouting and foisting players van Gaal and Mourinho don’t want onto them. All this speculation that players like Di Maria were Woodward buys is just that, speculation; it’s highly unlikely, and only serves as an excuse for the shit job they did.

There’s obviously some truth to withdrawal of support for Mourinho when it comes to McGuire or other defenders he wanted, but do you think it’s unreasonable for the people running the club to ask what happened to the three defenders he’s already bought, and why they’re not playing? He had six centre backs and couldn’t get a tune out of any of them.

Mou bought two CB’s not three tbf.

Club signed Herrera and Shaw

Van Gaal wasn’t allowed Mane or Fabinho.

As Neville pointed out a couple of weeks ago, we have senior scouts that were brought in by Moyes, Van Gaal and Mou while also having Woodward selected people making decisions on players. It’s not all down to the manager and tbh that’s how it should be, but it shouldn’t be that a mishmash of people brought into the club by various people in a short period of time are all having their input. It’s no wonder we’ve got this unbalanced mess of a squad if that’s the any we’re doing things.

The problems we have are bigger than who is sat in the dug out imo. If the structure above the manager is poor then the manager will always find it difficult.

It’s why I’m all for some sort of structure being put in place now with the likes of Fletcher etc. Obviously time will tell whether they’re in roles to actually make a difference or just out there to take pressure off the owners and people running the club.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

A big part of the issues at old Trafford are caused by contracts impacting squad dynamics as well as managers having their transfer plans in and out either hampered or outright blocked. Another big issue is woodward valuing certain players above the manager, removing their authority over said players and ending up with the type of dressing room we have. I guess you don’t think woodward and the commercial department have any impact on the team or the job the manager wants to do though, so we’ll never agree.

Of course they do. Every part of the club has some impact on every other part, but you have to be aware of creating a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ scenario - for example criticizing Woodward for structuring Sanchez’ contract to reflect the transfer fee savings and doing what it took to get him here for Mourinho, or saying ‘no £#%&!ing way’ in which case he’s undermining the manager, not supporting him and making football decisions.

Criticism is fine; just be measured.

Originally Posted by AK14

Mou bought two CB’s not three tbf.

Club signed Herrera and Shaw

Van Gaal wasn’t allowed Mane or Fabinho.

He bought 2 centre backs and Dalot and played Smalling, Jones and Valencia. The club bought Shaw and Herrera because we were without a manager at the time. I have to be honest and admit I didn’t read past the Mane and Fabinho bit because I can’t debate made up stuff. Sorry.

If we lose against Cardiff, get him in.

Get him in anyway.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

If we lose against Cardiff, get him in.

Get him in anyway.

When not if

Originally Posted by utd99

Of course they do. Every part of the club has some impact on every other part, but you have to be aware of creating a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ scenario - for example criticizing Woodward for structuring Sanchez’ contract to reflect the transfer fee savings and doing what it took to get him here for Mourinho, or saying ‘no £#%&!ing way’ in which case he’s undermining the manager, not supporting him and making football decisions.

Criticism is fine; just be measured.



He bought 2 centre backs and Dalot and played Smalling, Jones and Valencia. The club bought Shaw and Herrera because we were without a manager at the time. I have to be honest and admit I didn’t read past the Mane and Fabinho bit because I can’t debate made up stuff. Sorry.

Made up stuff...

Originally Posted by windy waffles

If we lose against Cardiff, get him in.

Get him in anyway.

We will have asked Poch if he'll join, before finally giving it to Ole. He'll have said no...like every single top manager we've asked since Fergie left.

Originally Posted by utd99

Woodward and the board don’t pick the players mate. They may decide a certain player is too expensive or set limits -ala Perisic- but they’re not out there scouting and foisting players van Gaal and Mourinho don’t want onto them. All this speculation that players like Di Maria were Woodward buys is just that, speculation; it’s highly unlikely, and only serves as an excuse for the shit job they did.

There’s obviously some truth to withdrawal of support for Mourinho when it comes to McGuire or other defenders he wanted, but do you think it’s unreasonable for the people running the club to ask what happened to the three defenders he’s already bought, and why they’re not playing? He had six centre backs and couldn’t get a tune out of any of them.

It is when two of them were signed at 21 and the other was 18.

Make the call ffs...

Originally Posted by utd99

Of course they do. Every part of the club has some impact on every other part, but you have to be aware of creating a ‘damned if you do, damned if you don’t’ scenario - for example criticizing Woodward for structuring Sanchez’ contract to reflect the transfer fee savings

What transfer fee savings? We let a 30m rated player go to arsenal.

And you structure any such deal with signing on fees and such, not through a basic wage which £#%&!s up the wage structure.

and doing what it took to get him here for Mourinho, or saying ‘no £#%&!ing way’ in which case he’s undermining the manager, not supporting him and making football decisions.

Or you could just match the offer our rivals are offering. That way you don’t break your wage structure and you don’t end up with players just coming for the money only.

The entire strategy around team building has been wrong. It’s almost impossible to £#%&! it up if you have the funds. United have done it spectacularly, and it’s due to the motivations and lack of planning at the highest level.

He bought 2 centre backs and Dalot and played Smalling, Jones and Valencia.

Given how petty mourinho is, and how he’s been known in the past to do things to make a point to his bosses, you can pretty much judge how onboard mourinho was with the players the club signed by his attitude towards playing them.