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Unread 06-01-2019, 07:39 PM
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I don't know I wasn't around in the 1970s. I know there was better job opportunities and higher membership of unions; you could leave a job on a Friday and be in an equal job by Monday. People could afford to buy homes for the first time. Working class people finally could afford to travel abroad for a holiday. Must have been awful.
I remember the strikes, the powercuts, the financial crash, inflation at 30%, and being bailed out by the IMF. Then there was the rubbish in the streets. And the fashion. My god the fashion.
 
Unread 06-01-2019, 07:41 PM
Lazlo Panaflex
 
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I remember the strikes, the powercuts, the financial crash, inflation at 30%, and being bailed out by the IMF. Then there was the rubbish in the streets. And the fashion. My god the fashion.
All changed when globalisation kicked in. Greatest human achievement since the Americans invented democracy.

Left some losers behind but evolution was never kind to them
 
Unread 06-01-2019, 10:58 PM
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I remember the strikes, the powercuts, the financial crash, inflation at 30%, and being bailed out by the IMF. Then there was the rubbish in the streets. And the fashion. My god the fashion.
My dad remebers getting a job in a factory which doubled his wages from being an upholsterer, holidays in the USA and Italy, beer being cheap and winning the FA Cup to be the best we could hope for. I guess you remeber what you want to
 
Unread 07-01-2019, 08:23 AM
Hands of Scone
 
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My dad remebers getting a job in a factory which doubled his wages from being an upholsterer, holidays in the USA and Italy, beer being cheap and winning the FA Cup to be the best we could hope for. I guess you remeber what you want to
Does he remember the brown wallpaper and horrendous sideburns?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6729683.stm

Travvers dirty secret his dad is Leeds fan Rodney Thornton?
 
Unread 07-01-2019, 08:59 AM
Gypsum Fantastic
 
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Socialism has been tried and failed in South America, as has neoliberalism, military dictatorships, left and right wing populism and so on. As you identified, corruption is a huge issue but to understand the political culture down there you need to understand that corruption doesn't infect socialism, neoliberalism et al and bring them down, on the contrary corruption, patronage and an inversion of meritocracy are the political systems with only a sprinkling of political ideology of whichever stripe to accompany.

There is no "decent" government possible, owing to the weakness of the institutions. Even those institutions that can employ independent policy do so in the knowledge that they can be dispensed with at the drop of a hat/coup.

As for those defending Maduro on the other thread, what a disgrace you are. Even by the standards of ill educated, reckless, wrong-headed despots of South America he stands out to the point other leaders of corrupt regimes have distanced themselves from him. That people who like to take cover under the banner of compassion for fellow man somehow seek to minimise the humanitarian crisis and destruction of Venezuela's institutions under the watch of that crackpot shows where compassion ends and where politics as team sports begins.
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Unread 07-01-2019, 09:24 AM
My Name is Keith
 
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Socialism has been tried and failed in South America, as has neoliberalism, military dictatorships, left and right wing populism and so on. As you identified, corruption is a huge issue but to understand the political culture down there you need to understand that corruption doesn't infect socialism, neoliberalism et al and bring them down, on the contrary corruption, patronage and an inversion of meritocracy are the political systems with only a sprinkling of political ideology of whichever stripe to accompany.

There is no "decent" government possible, owing to the weakness of the institutions. Even those institutions that can employ independent policy do so in the knowledge that they can be dispensed with at the drop of a hat/coup.

As for those defending Maduro on the other thread, what a disgrace you are. Even by the standards of ill educated, reckless, wrong-headed despots of South America he stands out to the point other leaders of corrupt regimes have distanced themselves from him. That people who like to take cover under the banner of compassion for fellow man somehow seek to minimise the humanitarian crisis and destruction of Venezuela's institutions under the watch of that crackpot shows where compassion ends and where politics as team sports begins.
Wow.
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