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Unread 17-09-2023, 09:47 AM
Dr Stranger
 
Default I donít think weíre *that* bad

Pissed off in the match thread, but the next day always brings more calm.

I feel for us a bit at the moment. Yes, thereís long-standing issues, but weíre dealing with a lot of shit at the moment and I donít think weíre seeing this lot at the best of their abilities.

Weíve had an awful preseason with an unprecedented amount of issues to deal with:

Ownership
Greenwood
Antony
Sancho
Maguire
Injuries to Shaw, Varane, mount, Mainoo
Lack of fitness for Hojlund, Amrabat

Weíve signed 5 players this summer and we havenít seen a single outfield signing play consistently. Whatever we think of Mount, he was a big signing for us and part of whatever ETH had in store for the side. Thatís gone. With all weíve spent, we still ended up starting Mctominay and bringing on Martial. ETH doesnít want either of those.

We canít get Hojlund in the team for 90 minutes yet. That sub yesterday was always going to happen due to fitness. If he had five starts under his belt, no way does he go off. It felt like a symbolic awful sub as much as anything else. The one thing to feel positive about being taken away and replaced with an avatar of our mediocrity.

Some of our better players arenít up to speed yet. Casemiro is the obvious one, but rashford isnít scoring and Martinez looks well off the pace too. I donít think heís fully fit. Heís been subbed 3 times this season already.

Thereís the off field issues with Antony and Sancho that need resolving asap. We at least have closure with Greenwood.

In the context of the games, weíve ended up on the wrong end of some key moments. That goal at Arsenal and Hojlund goal yesterday completely change the game and the mood. Iím not lamenting the decisions, just acknowledging the fine margins. Those arenít going for us right now at the time when we could really do with it.

Weíve led for about 30 minutes combined this season. Weíve either been chasing games or banging our head against the wall.

It all seems chaotic at the moment, both on and off the pitch. The issues just seem like too much right now and we need to find a way to weather it.

Iíd be more concerned if we were turning in these performances with a more settled eleven and players with minutes under our belt.

Get Amrabat fit and in.
Get Hojlund match fit.
Get Mount back.
Get Varane back.
Resolve the Sancho and Antony issues swiftly

The above is key to getting us settled down.

Once we have that, I think weíll be in a better position to judge where weíre up to and Iíd expect us to significantly improve.

I feel more inclined to cut them some slack right now than usual.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 09:52 AM
The taste of...
 
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The dire Fergie years started in his second season when he started his
Clear outsÖÖ and he only had pisspots to deal with

Strap in and the good signs will start to show. Not gonna be overnight though.

Biggest thing thatíll speed things up is Qatar coming in and transplanting Brightons operations into Carrington
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 10:09 AM
Gypsum Fantastic
 
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Well currently we are that bad. Nobody playing particularly well, at least not for anything approaching 90mins. You can talk about garnachos goal all you like but we were terrible first half against arsenal and only decent second half. Wolves awful. Forest did well but weíre at home to forest ffs, and could easily have lost that. Tottenham nope.

Didnít see yesterday but talking about doing ok whilst getting turned over at home against Brighton is just bullshit. Itís not good enough. Full stop. They had 6 players out too and de derbi been in the role less time than Erik. Obviously United is a much bigger gig but it needs to turn around and quickly. Away form hasnít been good for years.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 10:13 AM
Dr Stranger
 
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Originally Posted by Gypsum Fantastic
Well currently we are that bad. Nobody playing particularly well, at least not for anything approaching 90mins. You can talk about garnachos goal all you like but we were terrible first half against arsenal and only decent second half. Wolves awful. Forest did well but weíre at home to forest ffs, and could easily have lost that. Tottenham nope.

Didnít see yesterday but talking about doing ok whilst getting turned over at home against Brighton is just bullshit. Itís not good enough. Full stop. They had 6 players out too and de derbi been in the role less time than Erik. Obviously United is a much bigger gig but it needs to turn around and quickly. Away form hasnít been good for years.
I havenít said weíre doing ok. Iím citing reasons for why weíre not. Or at least a part of why weíre not.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 10:21 AM
NedKelly
 
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Get Mount back.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 10:26 AM
no fun
 
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Even ifÖand itís a big ifÖweíre not ďthat badĒ once we get everyone fit, sort out the off field problems and get our finances in order visa new owners, the problem will still persist that we are not ďthat goodĒ either

We need to be up there competing for every trophy, and unless the 115 charges lead to cityís downfall Iím afraid domestic success is some time away and Europe is a pipe dream

The future ainít bright
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 10:41 AM
larry
 
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is anyone else planning to contribute to this thread or can we lock it?
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 10:49 AM
jem
 
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fine margins could have got results from poor performances. we're not losing on fine margins, we're losing on shit performances.

mount, ffs.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 10:57 AM
believe
 
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Just got trounced by a Brighton side who barely got out of first gear. Yeah Iím looking forward to Wednesday.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 11:13 AM
Tuco
 
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Originally Posted by jem
fine margins could have got results from poor performances. we're not losing on fine margins, we're losing on shit performances.

mount, ffs.
Mount had hardly played, give the lad a chance.
McTominay though....
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 11:29 AM
92ToBury
 
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The club is badly run and we haven't been able to shift toxic players.

That said, we've supposedly got enough good players to get better performances and results than we have done in the past. If injuries is the only issue we've got then let's see if that changes in a couple of months. If not, we're still in the same position but with fewer excuses.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 11:36 AM
jem
 
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Originally Posted by Tuco
Mount had hardly played, give the lad a chance.
McTominay though....
he's made over 300 appearances for club and country. maybe you missed them?

you might as well say give mctominay a chance.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 12:18 PM
My Name is Heath
 
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Shades of ďother than that, did you enjoy the play Mrs Lincoln?Ē

We are doomed.

We need the glazers out. The fish rots from the head and we are a big rotting tuna.

ETH is not the problem.

Too many shit signings by people who run the club badly.

Yes we have some #@&%!head players and some straight forward ham and eggers - but we also have some gems. Small ones. Midget gems you could say. But they will be delicious in future.

We are in for another shit season.

Canít wait for the 5+ humiliations at the hands of city and Liverpool ffs
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 12:33 PM
AK14
 
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Things will change soon enough.

We look as though weíre still in pre season mode and having an unsettled team isnít helping either. We need the new players to play every week and bed in.

Itís been a shit start though nqat.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 12:34 PM
jem
 
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if we had a fully fit squad, we could win the league.

we will never have a fully fit squad.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 02:32 PM
Coracao
 
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We are.

Still a dysfunctional mess of a side. Can't remember when we last played well for 2-3 consecutive games. Or even halves.

We were fortunate a fair few teams were shite last season.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 02:35 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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Originally Posted by Coracao
We are.
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Iím stunned.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 02:42 PM
dunk
 
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Weíve said it constantly, but you canít be out worked. Youíve got to be straining to compete for everything, amble about or take your foot of the pedal at any point and youíre in trouble. We think we can apply the opposite and just turn up, hang in and put our foot down for 15 minutes when we feel like it. Pathetic.

Hate to say it but the toxicity that was building preseason feels like it hs permeated the dressing room and yesterday had a distinct whiff of canít be arsed and whatís the point.

The manager has his work cut out, again.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 02:46 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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Originally Posted by dunk
Weíve said it constantly, but you canít be out worked. Youíve got to be straining to compete for everything, amble about or take your foot of the pedal at any point and youíre in trouble. We think we can apply the opposite and just turn up, hang in and put our foot down for 15 minutes when we feel like it. Pathetic.

Hate to say it but the toxicity that was building preseason feels like it hs permeated the dressing room and yesterday had a distinct whiff of canít be arsed and whatís the point.

The manager has his work cut out, again.
I donít think there was a lack of effort yesterday. Thereís a lack of belief and we were stumped once when went behind on what to actually do. And that includes the manager. When that belief drains, itís pretty rapid.
 
Unread 17-09-2023, 02:47 PM
Coracao
 
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Iím stunned.
I'm stunned by your flowery drivel pal, attempting to dress up shite.
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