Other fans' views on our ex-players

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

He's finished after he takes them down imo.

Not a chance, Sunderland AFC will get the blame. Moyes is a shit manager, but he can play the journo's like a fiddle. I still hear people repeating the not enough time, treated badly shite about utd

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Perhaps, but it's not exactly been the main problem. Very few are sitting around wishing we still had Johnny Evans. The squad players aren't the ones we've failed to replace - it's been the key personnel. Fergie's last side had seven or eight important figures who were all either past it or close to that stage. Three summers passed without really replacing many of those guys, at least not in the short term.

Last summer was a step in the right direction, albeit Zlat is a temporary solution and Pogba and Mkhi still have it to prove.

it had a couple of key veterans plus was ready for the defenders to be phased out ... the defenders were in place to takeover. they have proved unreliable and not good enough, but they were there.

we needed a couple of class signings down the spine is all. instead we bribed rooney to stay and totally £#%&!ed up the 1st window.

wharves anyway. we've been here before.

Evans is a strange one, started very brightly then seemed to fall to pieces around the start of 10/11

Smalling makes Evans look like Beckenbauer.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

so come on, what exactly was anderson's contribution during his last 3 or 4 years of getting £100k a week?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbcCjlZo1A

Gave Ramone the opportunity to be a condescending @#%&!

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

it had a couple of key veterans plus was ready for the defenders to be phased out ... the defenders were in place to takeover. they have proved unreliable and not good enough, but they were there.

we needed a couple of class signings down the spine is all. instead we bribed rooney to stay and totally £#%&!ed up the 1st window.

wharves anyway. we've been here before.

Evra, Vidic, Rio, Giggs, Scholes, van Persie, Carrick, Fletcher and Rooney were all in need of replacing or phasing out. Perhaps some argument about Carrick, but that's eight or nine significant players. So there was always going to be the need for heavy recruitment.

In an ideal world that last title-winning side would have been young enough to keep some continuity. But Ferguson and Gill leaving ahead of a period where most of the dressing room leaders would inevitably go was pretty unfortunate timing.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Evra, Vidic, Rio, Giggs, Scholes, van Persie, Carrick, Fletcher and Rooney were all in need of replacing or phasing out. Perhaps some argument about Carrick, but that's eight or nine significant players. So there was always going to be the need for heavy recruitment.

In an ideal world that last title-winning side would have been young enough to keep some continuity. But Ferguson and Gill leaving ahead of a period where most of the dressing room leaders would inevitably go was pretty unfortunate timing.

giggs started 12 league games. scholes started just 8.

carrick and evra started 34 apiece and were barely 30 and fit as fleas ffs

absolutely zero reason to say that van persie's goose was cooked either - he'd just won us the league with 26 goals ...

fletcher was only just 29 and had proven that he could get back to good health ...

rooney of course was done but for fergie retiring.

this was quite an interesting thread about how some of our 'unsung'/'failed' players have gone on to become fan favourites at smaller Clubs.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

giggs started 12 league games. scholes started just 8.

carrick and evra started 34 apiece and were barely 30 and fit as fleas ffs

absolutely zero reason to say that van persie's goose was cooked either - he'd just won us the league with 26 goals ...

fletcher was only just 29 and had proven that he could get back to good health ...

rooney of course was done but for fergie retiring.

What?

He looked utterly £#%&!ed.

Six of those nine players were around 32 or older. The other three were 27-30 and all three £#%&!ed physically. Not guys to build with.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

this was quite an interesting thread about how some of our 'unsung'/'failed' players have gone on to become fan favourites at smaller Clubs.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

giggs started 12 league games. scholes started just 8.

carrick and evra started 34 apiece and were barely 30 and fit as fleas ffs

absolutely zero reason to say that van persie's goose was cooked either - he'd just won us the league with 26 goals ...

fletcher was only just 29 and had proven that he could get back to good health ...

rooney of course was done but for fergie retiring.

Scholes did not start a game after November until the league was won. Fletcher only started 2 league games all season. Non factors on the pitch at least in the title win, can not underestimate their influence in training.

CB was constant rotation, Vidic only started 18 games, Evans and Rio was probably the strongest pair that season while Jones and Smalling were the back up for CB and RB.

Van Persie going from one of the top strikers in Europe to finished over about 6 months was a kick in the balls, won his title, Fergie retired, seemed to lose any motivation or drive, Schweinsteiger style.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

this was quite an interesting thread about how some of our 'unsung'/'failed' players have gone on to become fan favourites at smaller Clubs.

yep, but by post 8 you were already using it as another excuse to defend rooney.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

What?

He looked utterly £#%&!ed.

Six of those nine players were around 32 or older. The other three were 27-30 and all three £#%&!ed physically. Not guys to build with.

giggs started 12 league games. scholes started 8. i've repeated this because you ignored it. they were world class veterans. the team wasn't being built around them ffs

fletcher has proven that he could get back to good health. he signed for wba in the 14/15 winter window and has started 82 league games for them since then.

the point about evra not being a player to build with is irrelevant - he had a couple of seasons left at united. van persie had just won us the league but oh no, discount him ...

that squad in 2013 was well set for the new regime and needed a few tweaks. the notion that it needed clearing out has been shown up for the fallacy it was.

Robbie Brady and Danny Drinkwater have done really well. James Chester too. Fair to say players get a good education at United and are solid players when they graduate

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Scholes did not start a game after November until the league was won. Fletcher only started 2 league games all season. Non factors on the pitch at least in the title win, can not underestimate their influence in training.

CB was constant rotation, Vidic only started 18 games, Evans and Rio was probably the strongest pair that season while Jones and Smalling were the back up for CB and RB.

Van Persie going from one of the top strikers in Europe to finished over about 6 months was a kick in the balls, won his title, Fergie retired, seemed to lose any motivation or drive, Schweinsteiger style.

exactly. the CB situation didn't look too bad and was being dealt with. it just so happens that the replacements being phased in have turned out not to be up to standard ...

van persie lost his mojo, but there was absolutely nothing to suggest that was inevitable, far from it in fact.

Originally Posted by MJ Ramone

this was quite an interesting thread about how some of our 'unsung'/'failed' players have gone on to become fan favourites at smaller Clubs.

Throb gonna Throb.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

exactly. the CB situation didn't look too bad and was being dealt with. it just so happens that the replacements being phased in have turned out not to be up to standard ...

van persie lost his mojo, but there was absolutely nothing to suggest that was inevitable, far from it in fact.

Still think back to that tie with Madrid, Van Persie missed chance after chance over those 2 legs. Without that blip and a harsh sending off our team of shit@#%&!s knocks out Madrid, and it would not have been a fluke. They were more than competitive over the tie with Jones, Rafael, Welbeck, Kagawa, Evans, Nani, even Cleverley acquitting themselves well at various stages.

Michael Keane of Burnley / England is one of ours too? Not sure if he started for us though.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Evra, Vidic, Rio, Giggs, Scholes, van Persie, Carrick, Fletcher and Rooney were all in need of replacing or phasing out. Perhaps some argument about Carrick, but that's eight or nine significant players. So there was always going to be the need for heavy recruitment.

In an ideal world that last title-winning side would have been young enough to keep some continuity. But Ferguson and Gill leaving ahead of a period where most of the dressing room leaders would inevitably go was pretty unfortunate timing.

Absolutely.

Originally Posted by Ranier Wolfcastle

Evans is a strange one, started very brightly then seemed to fall to pieces around the start of 10/11

When was the LC thrashing at West Ham? Alarm bells were genuinely ringing after that.

Originally Posted by Mr_Ed

Michael Keane of Burnley / England is one of ours too? Not sure if he started for us though.

Yep he's Will's twin brother.

Originally Posted by Mr_Ed

Michael Keane of Burnley / England is one of ours too? Not sure if he started for us though.

I was surprised we sold him tbh.