James Trafford - £19m

Young goalkeeper going to Burnley from Man City for £19m. £15m up front with £4m in add-ons.

19 £#%&!ing million.

Spent last season on loan at Bolton ffs.

How do they do it? We've be lucky to get £750k...

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Young goalkeeper going to Burnley from Man City for £19m. £15m up front with £4m in add-ons.

19 £#%&!ing million.

Spent last season on loan at Bolton ffs.

How do they do it? We've be lucky to get £750k...

It sure is a mystery.

City selling their youth players for 19m

Fred, a fully fledged international player for £#%&!ing Brazil and we can't get £20m

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Young goalkeeper going to Burnley from Man City for £19m. £15m up front with £4m in add-ons.

19 £#%&!ing million.

Spent last season on loan at Bolton ffs.

How do they do it? We've be lucky to get £750k...

Absolutely £#%&!ing ridiculous

Originally Posted by Jethro

Fred, a fully fledged international player for £#%&!ing Brazil and we can't get £20m

That's kinda my point.

Utterly inept.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Young goalkeeper going to Burnley from Man City for £19m. £15m up front with £4m in add-ons.

19 £#%&!ing million.

Spent last season on loan at Bolton ffs.

How do they do it? We've be lucky to get £750k...

They'll be lobbing most of that over to Burnley through a shell company, no doubt. It's the biggest load of bullshit ever. They're so bent that nothing is out of the question at this point.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Young goalkeeper going to Burnley from Man City for £19m. £15m up front with £4m in add-ons.

19 £#%&!ing million.

Spent last season on loan at Bolton ffs.

How do they do it? We've be lucky to get £750k...

Are you looking for a more sophisticated answer than ‘lying’?

you lot are like bitching little girls

U21 english international, a club that don’t need to sell him and a young ENGLISH player that if is half decent after a season or two will be about the double the price if they sold him on.

If he was at Burnley and has 3 good season, how much would a team like arsenal pay for a 24 year old English goal keeper ? 40m ish in todays market?!?

15m is actually cheap for him

Originally Posted by Jethro

Fred, a fully fledged international player for £#%&!ing Brazil and we can't get £20m

£27 m including salary - he doesn't play for buttons. Given he's probably going to be demanding a 3 year + deal from whoever he signs for (otherwise there is no incentive for him personally in going anywhere, and enriching the club at his own expense vs leaving on free next summer), you're probably talking c. £50 million commitment to signing a 30 year old w/ no return at the end of it. Don't know why this is hard for people to wrap their heads around re: selling Fred, Maguire etc. Actually, probably do.

Don't know anything about this City player. Do know that Lavia who they sold for £15 mil last summer is probably going to return Southampton c. £40 mil this summer. Sancho went for £8 million to Dortmund then returned £70 million. So they have form for youth players returning fees to purchasing clubs .. who was the last young player we sent out who became anything other than shite elsewhere? Aside from the current suspects under discussion, can look back further to Borthers Jackson, Wilson, Blackett. One of the v few exceptional players produced is facing exile from the club.

Shite academy is emblematic of shite executive leadership, and vice versa.

Lavia isn’t a City youth product, and they signed Sancho from Watford.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Lavia isn’t a City youth product, and they signed Sancho from Watford.

?
They signed Sancho at 14, or are we considering that professional footballer age now? Lavia joined at 16. Both played Academy level football for them. These are youth players, picked up at very young ages then recycled on for a profit (and subsequently recycled on for an even greater profit by the clubs they went to).

The greater point remains. Clubs will pay good fees for outgoing players when we've got anything other than shite to sell on contracts that are economic suicide.

Lavia is not a City youth product. They signed him 3 years ago. How long did he spend at their academy ffs?! Every club wanted him when he was available. No stroke of genius from City, they just bunged his family the most money.

They signed Sancho from Watford for half a million quid. Just what happened.

No idea why you’re pulling yourself off over City’s academy tbh when none of them get in their £#%&!ing team other than Lego head.

If you don’t think there’s anything dodgy about some of their sales you’re very naive.

One player, ok, but they consistently sell absolutely nothing players for fees that simply don’t represent their experience.

Meanwhile, they expect people to believe they paid £55m for Haaland.

They’re full of shit. It’s why they have 115 charges to their name.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Lavia is not a City youth product. They signed him 3 years ago. How long did he spend at their academy ffs?! Every club wanted him when he was available. No stroke of genius from City, they just bunged his family the most money.

They signed Sancho from Watford for half a million quid. Just what happened.

No idea why you’re pulling yourself off over City’s academy tbh when none of them get in their £#%&!ing team other than Lego head.

If you don’t think there’s anything dodgy about some of their sales you’re very naive.

Silly me for thinking 14 & 16 year old non-professional footballers who play Academy football are youth players ..

I'm not "pulling myself" over City's Academy; I am however trying to help some understand why clubs aren't falling over themselves to buy either a) old shite deadweight on exorbitant contracts or b) young shite deadweight from us at cracking fees. Other than Pogba MK 1, Zaha & maybe Evans can't think of a player in the past 10 years we've sold at any level or age group who we can look back on and say was worth more in their career than the fee returned ..

Hopefully Erik's dutch pedigree extends to revitalising the youth set-up. Alternatively we can just stick our heads in the sand & assume that all the shite youth players (whether they started out here in the embryo & were therefore our youth players or were bought to the club at 13 & 3/4s therefore can be excluded as our youth players) we've sold that topped out at League 1 level were actually a mirage and its a big conspiracy

Is that his real name ?

James Trafford for 19m reads like a football manager sale ..

To red brick.
Rayon Gogs

Originally Posted by ErikvanHaaksbergen

Silly me for thinking 14 & 16 year old non-professional footballers who play Academy football are youth players ..

I'm not "pulling myself" over City's Academy; I am however trying to help some understand why clubs aren't falling over themselves to buy either a) old shite deadweight on exorbitant contracts or b) young shite deadweight from us at cracking fees. Other than Pogba MK 1, Zaha & maybe Evans can't think of a player in the past 10 years we've sold at any level or age group who we can look back on and say was worth more in their career than the fee returned ..

Hopefully Erik's dutch pedigree extends to revitalising the youth set-up. Alternatively we can just stick our heads in the sand & assume that all the shite youth players (whether they started out here in the embryo & were therefore our youth players or were bought to the club at 13 & 3/4s therefore can be excluded as our youth players) we've sold that topped out at League 1 level were actually a mirage and its a big conspiracy

your wasting your time mate

alotnof our fan base on here can’t be objective and are deeply invested into this Wierd conspiracy theories about absolutely everything regarding other clubs.

it’s never our own fault or our own failings.

our academy has been shit for years.
even Darren fletcher put his kids at the city academy and only just pulling them out of it now
we don’t even a competent striker within the club which we could have done with last season
our most recent graduate that “made it” is elanga. elanga being the best of the bunch is a indicator of where we are at.
ETH a had to go and buy malacia because we didn’t have a decent left back to challenge Shaw
At RB we have nothing.
CB nothing. (held onto tuanzebe too long and now he has just been released)
midfield - sold garner for 9m which is a fair price.

Trafford plays in the u21 with the likes of smith Rowe, Gibbs white so 15m is a not even that surprising at all.

Actually it might be to myopic football fans who don’t pay attention to what is going on or see everything through red tinted specs

United bought diallo for £30m having made 10 first team appearances at any level yet 15m for England u21 goalkeeper is a big conspiracy.

City have that other player, the mixed race one who is quite pale. If they sold him he fetch 30m ish just because he is English, looks good because he pops in and out of a functional successful side. It’s just how it is.

Originally Posted by marlo

your wasting your time mate

alotnof our fan base on here can’t be objective and are deeply invested into this Wierd conspiracy theories about absolutely everything regarding other clubs.

it’s never our own fault or our own failings.

our academy has been shit for years.
even Darren fletcher put his kids at the city academy and only just pulling them out of it now
we don’t even a competent striker within the club which we could have done with last season
our most recent graduate that “made it” is elanga. elanga being the best of the bunch is a indicator of where we are at.
ETH a had to go and buy malacia because we didn’t have a decent left back to challenge Shaw
At RB we have nothing.
CB nothing. (held onto tuanzebe too long and now he has just been released)
midfield - sold garner for 9m which is a fair price.

Trafford plays in the u21 with the likes of smith Rowe, Gibbs white so 15m is a not even that surprising at all.

Actually it might be to myopic football fans who don’t pay attention to what is going on or see everything through red tinted specs

United bought diallo for £30m having made 10 first team appearances at any level yet 15m for England u21 goalkeeper is a big conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Jethro

yep that’s bullshit.

City are colluding with Burnley to cook their books by 10m.

Sounds believable.

just did a little research.

the last two u21 European championships United haven’t had one player in the English squads.

go back 10-12 years ago and we had a minimum of 3/4.

In the one the other day city had 4 players in there. All 4 start for the England u21.
but yeahs let’s wonder why lately they are selling their academy players for decent money and we aren’t.

Comforting yourself with conspiracy claims is abit mad!

Let’s just hope new owners can turn the club around slowly and surely.

Originally Posted by marlo

yep that’s bullshit.

City are colluding with Burnley to cook their books by 10m.

Sounds believable.

just did a little research.

the last two u21 European championships United haven’t had one player in the English squads.

go back 10-12 years ago and we had a minimum of 3/4.

In the one the other day city had 4 players in there. All 4 start for the England u21.
but yeahs let’s wonder why lately they are selling their academy players for decent money and we aren’t.

Comforting yourself with conspiracy claims is abit mad!

Let’s just hope new owners can turn the club around slowly and surely.

Two of the starting 11 are former Utd youth team players in Gomes and Garner
Just an FYI before you rubbish our academy
Also the reason we don’t tend to have many under 21 players is because that level is for players who play at first team level and if a young player is playing for the Utd first team they generally go straight to the England senior team like Rashford and Greenwood

As for these city youth team players being sold for big money
It’s not nothing that a number of ex City staff go to the Southampton recruitment department and suddenly they sign a load of City youth players for big money
This time it’s an ex City captain as manager at Burnley
It’s not a coincidence