Lingard and Martial out for 2-3 weeks.

Well that was a horribly misplaced rant. Good effort Sparky.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

They utterly dominated us and found that, shock horror, if you get touch tight to Martial, Pogba and Rashford that's our entire attacking threat gone. Then Put pressure on our defenders because they're so utterly atrocious at distributing the ball and you get exactly what we had - 1 shot on target and 40% of the ball at home.

Lingard was allowed to flitter about and do what he liked because that's all he's good for - moving about. He had one good chance to execute a break in the first half and £#%&!ed up the key pass. In a game of fine margins against top opposition if you're relying on players of the calibre of Lingard to produce then you've already lost.

People on here endlessly harping on about Martial and Lingard who had done nothing up until they got injured when PSG were missing Neymar and Cavani ffs. Yet they Still turned up, slapped their #@&%! our on living room table and pissed all over our shoes. And there was nothing we could do about it.

If you insist on defending players of his ilk then don't moan when we consistently fall short.

That's a very weird way to piss.

You know piss goes down anyway, right?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

They utterly dominated us and found that, shock horror, if you get touch tight to Martial, Pogba and Rashford that's our entire attacking threat gone. Then Put pressure on our defenders because they're so utterly atrocious at distributing the ball and you get exactly what we had - 1 shot on target and 40% of the ball at home.

Lingard was allowed to flitter about and do what he liked because that's all he's good for - moving about. He had one good chance to execute a break in the first half and £#%&!ed up the key pass. In a game of fine margins against top opposition if you're relying on players of the calibre of Lingard to produce then you've already lost.

People on here endlessly harping on about Martial and Lingard who had done nothing up until they got injured when PSG were missing Neymar and Cavani ffs. Yet they Still turned up, slapped their #@&%! our on living room table and pissed all over our shoes. And there was nothing we could do about it.

If you insist on defending players of his ilk then don't moan when we consistently fall short.

Spot on.

Bloke lives in a £#%&!ing dream world.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

They utterly dominated us and found that, shock horror, if you get touch tight to Martial, Pogba and Rashford that's our entire attacking threat gone. Then Put pressure on our defenders because they're so utterly atrocious at distributing the ball and you get exactly what we had - 1 shot on target and 40% of the ball at home.

Lingard was allowed to flitter about and do what he liked because that's all he's good for - moving about. He had one good chance to execute a break in the first half and £#%&!ed up the key pass. In a game of fine margins against top opposition if you're relying on players of the calibre of Lingard to produce then you've already lost.

People on here endlessly harping on about Martial and Lingard who had done nothing up until they got injured when PSG were missing Neymar and Cavani ffs. Yet they Still turned up, slapped their #@&%! our on living room table and pissed all over our shoes. And there was nothing we could do about it.

If you insist on defending players of his ilk then don't moan when we consistently fall short.

Let it go sparky. PSG have been building a team for this had 3 players alone on nearly 500 champs league games the two injuries for us killed our threat
Hammering the defence again since ole cane they’ve let in less than anyone scored as many as anyone bar city there was nothing in the PSG till half time that’s not opinion that’s fact

Originally Posted by Sparky***

They utterly dominated us and found that, shock horror, if you get touch tight to Martial, Pogba and Rashford that's our entire attacking threat gone. Then Put pressure on our defenders because they're so utterly atrocious at distributing the ball and you get exactly what we had - 1 shot on target and 40% of the ball at home.

Lingard was allowed to flitter about and do what he liked because that's all he's good for - moving about. He had one good chance to execute a break in the first half and £#%&!ed up the key pass. In a game of fine margins against top opposition if you're relying on players of the calibre of Lingard to produce then you've already lost.

People on here endlessly harping on about Martial and Lingard who had done nothing up until they got injured when PSG were missing Neymar and Cavani ffs. Yet they Still turned up, slapped their #@&%! our on living room table and pissed all over our shoes. And there was nothing we could do about it.

If you insist on defending players of his ilk then don't moan when we consistently fall short.

They make a difference, even when you can't get them into the game in possession. There's no doubt PSG fancied it more with Mata and Sanchez barely moving off the ball than they did first half. I doubt we'd have won the game either way but I think people acknowledge the wider implications of losing those two.

Anyway, many reasons we struggled. One being we are utterly woeful at keeping the ball and have pretty much no quality in our build-up play. If we can't get it to Pogba and spring a forward quickly, we lacked ideas. That's a consequence of the way we've been coached for over two years. Obviously it's much easier to just blame Lingard.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

They make a difference, even when you can't get them into the game in possession. There's no doubt PSG fancied it more with Mata and Sanchez barely moving off the ball than they did first half. I doubt we'd have won the game either way but I think people acknowledge the wider implications of losing those two.

Anyway, many reasons we struggled. One being we are utterly woeful at keeping the ball and have pretty much no quality in our build-up play. If we can't get it to Pogba and spring a forward quickly, we lacked ideas. That's a consequence of the way we've been coached for over two years. Obviously it's much easier to just blame Lingard.

THIS .... this is driving me mental! how come we completely fail to keep the ball for more that 2/3 passes is pathetic.

Massive loss. Not really any like for like replacements. Only place we have is not rashford.

He needs to now not play wingers and use a slightly different 4-4-2, with rashford playing behind Lukaku. He holds it up while rashford bombs it into space

Originally Posted by Singy211291

Massive loss. Not really any like for like replacements. Only place we have is not rashford.

He needs to now not play wingers and use a slightly different 4-4-2, with rashford playing behind Lukaku. He holds it up while rashford bombs it into space

Lukaku holding it up? Bit of a problem here.

Originally Posted by Gakbu

THIS .... this is driving me mental! how come we completely fail to keep the ball for more that 2/3 passes is pathetic.

Agreed and the players who can't do this need to go.

bit harsh on martial and lingard to say they did nothing. right from the off, they were pressuring defenders. martial played within himself with the ball, but looked unfit from the beginning. the problem is that sanchez and lukaku don't put in the work off the ball. and lukaku on the ball.

Originally Posted by Singy211291

Massive loss. Not really any like for like replacements. Only place we have is not rashford.

He needs to now not play wingers and use a slightly different 4-4-2, with rashford playing behind Lukaku. He holds it up while rashford bombs it into space

New to Lukaku pal?

They were seen on their way to training with the others today.

Probably out for tomorrow but I would not be surprised to see them kit up for the scouse....

Originally Posted by saffers

They were seen on their way to training with the others today.

Probably out for tomorrow but I would not be surprised to see them kit up for the scouse....

Originally Posted by jem

bit harsh on martial and lingard to say they did nothing. right from the off, they were pressuring defenders. martial played within himself with the ball, but looked unfit from the beginning. the problem is that sanchez and lukaku don't put in the work off the ball. and lukaku on the ball.

Yep. Lingard especially does lots of work off the ball. You'd think by now people might appreciate that there's a reason he's so valued by managers and his teammates. His contribution to the collective is always good.

He's not a world-beater but if he was a free agent tomorrow he'd have his pick of many top clubs.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

https://twitter.com/utdxtra/status/1097264333887889409

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Yep. Lingard especially does lots of work off the ball. You'd think by now people might appreciate that there's a reason he's so valued by managers and his teammates. His contribution to the collective is always good.

He's not a world-beater but if he was a free agent tomorrow he'd have his pick of many top clubs.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone dispute the fact that he works hard, or that his movement around the pitch doesn’t unsettle a defence; all constant movement unsettles a defence. The real question is, has that alone become the new standard for a first team United player?

Off the ball contributions are all very well, so long as it doesn’t serve to avoid the question of what a player does on the ball. So what does he do on the ball? Does he score? Does he create? Is there any x factor that makes the difference between a loss and a win? Just saying that what he does makes other players better is passing the buck. We’re Man Utd supporters - we all love the history of local academy players making it here, but that alone isn’t enough. They have to be better than the alternative, even if that alternative is a 32 year old Albanian, because otherwise you’re putting an ideal ahead of reality. Players get a chance here, but then it’s up to them to meet the standard, and Lingard doesn’t unless you lower it.

To the question of free agency and clubs queueing up for him, of course they would. We live in a world where Gylfi Sygurdssen goes for 50m and Aaron Ramsey gets 400k per week. The real question should be which other top team’s first 11 would he be an upgrade on what they already have?

We need difference makers, not squad fillers.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Yep. Lingard especially does lots of work off the ball. You'd think by now people might appreciate that there's a reason he's so valued by managers and his teammates. His contribution to the collective is always good.

He's not a world-beater but if he was a free agent tomorrow he'd have his pick of many top clubs.

Originally Posted by utd99

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone dispute the fact that he works hard, or that his movement around the pitch doesn’t unsettle a defence; all constant movement unsettles a defence. The real question is, has that alone become the new standard for a first team United player?

Off the ball contributions are all very well, so long as it doesn’t serve to avoid the question of what a player does on the ball. So what does he do on the ball? Does he score? Does he create? Is there any x factor that makes the difference between a loss and a win? Just saying that what he does makes other players better is passing the buck. We’re Man Utd supporters - we all love the history of local academy players making it here, but that alone isn’t enough. They have to be better than the alternative, even if that alternative is a 32 year old Albanian, because itherwise you’re putting an ideal ahead of reality. Players get a chance here, but then it’s up to them to meet the standard, and Lingard doesn’t unless you lower it.

To the question of free agency and clubs queueing up for him, of course they would. We live in a world where Gylfi Sygurdssen goes for 50m and Aaron Ramsey gets 400k per week. The real question should be which other top team’s first 11 would he be an upgrade on what they already have?

We need difference makers, not squad fillers.

Originally Posted by dragflick