Woodward is a curse on our club

Originally Posted by believe

Do you seriously believe that Woodward was responsible for that performance yesterday?

Its not as black and white as that though is it?

I think he’s partly responsible for our current situation because of poor management of the club.

For me our problems are bigger than who is in the dugout.

As has been pointed out, Liverpool were every bit as disillusioned with their owners and higher levels until Klopp turned up, now they're the best owners ever.

They've all been the problem to differing degrees.

We've bought shit players because the scouting is poor, the manager's knowledge of the World game hasn't been sufficient or they've identified players at odds with how the club wants to play.

We've paid over the odds because we haven't the resources to compete with cash rich clubs and have had to do shit, structured deals. Equally we've shied away from competing for players our rivals have gone for for similar reasons.

No idea on the rational for refusing to sell/release players. Offering contracts to Mata etc. is £#%&!ing mental.

Originally Posted by dunk

As has been pointed out, Liverpool were every bit as disillusioned with their owners and higher levels until Klopp turned up, now they're the best owners ever.

They've all been the problem to differing degrees.

We've bought shit players because the scouting is poor, the manager's knowledge of the World game hasn't been sufficient or they've identified players at odds with how the club wants to play.

We've paid over the odds because we haven't the resources to compete with cash rich clubs and have had to do shit, structured deals. Equally we've shied away from competing for players our rivals have gone for for similar reasons.

No idea on the rational for refusing to sell/release players. Offering contracts to Mata etc. is £#%&!ing mental.

Didn't Liverpools owners totally overhaul the scouting system too though? You can still be a money making club and run things properly; again Barcelona being a good example. The game has evolved, it's vital we do too or we are at serious risk of being totally left behind in the next decade.

Originally Posted by messhead

Didn't Liverpools owners totally overhaul the scouting system too though? You can still be a money making club and run things properly; again Barcelona being a good example. The game has evolved, it's vital we do too or we are at serious risk of being totally left behind in the next decade.

Don’t disagree. Been bitching about it for years. Accept your financial position and cut your cloth accordingly. Instead of spending stupid money on wages for past it players and overrated shite, ensure you have the absolute best scouting system and operate an aggressive strategy of getting prospects often and early.

United do the opposite.

Originally Posted by dunk

Don’t disagree. Been bitching about it for years. Accept your financial position and cut your cloth accordingly. Instead of spending stupid money on wages for past it players and overrated shite, ensure you have the absolute best scouting system and operate an aggressive strategy of getting prospects often and early.

United do the opposite.

Mid life crisis Utd sums up our approach. Flabby, losing hair, out of touch with culture, throw money at a flash motor to stay relevant.

Originally Posted by Bobda

Contract extensions aren’t agreed on the day they are announced in the press, they often take months of talks. Besides, it’s not like they got massive pay rises that hinder our shoestring budget.

Let’s go with your version of joined up thinking for a second. Woodward has total sole control. He picks the pot of players no manager wants, but has to choose from... Then you are suggesting 4 managers knowingly accommodated non-football decisions within the football team.

No. As previously mentioned, he was backed publically and financially to a point. The club had given him everything he asked, but the club wasn’t getting back from him what they asked, results. Again, hindsight is a wonderful thing.



If Woodward negotiated the Sanchez deal for £150k a week, would that make him and the players around him significantly better on the pitch? Nope.

If Ole doesn’t want Jones and Smalling at the club they can be absolutely be moved on. The club previously funded a way to move on their very top earner in Rooney in the past. We could sure as shit move on a couple of squad players that would cost a fraction of what Rooney did, if that Manager specifically wants this.

If you don’t think the decisions we make off the pitch impact who we play on the pitch then we’re not going to find common ground. I’m not suggesting Ed is responsible for the players performance, but you are ignoring the fact that he has followed the advice of people he is about to sack regarding who to keep/sell/buy that impacts the next guy. I’m not sure who else is responsible for the signings made over 6 years and 4 managers.

That is a bit different from your hypothesis of managers accepting non-football decisions, they are accepting decisions made before they were in place. If it’s so easy to shift players why have we had Darmian on the books for the last two years when he has been out of the door both summers? As for your Rooney example, in addition to giving him away on a free we had to pay him off to leave, clearly the money written off has an impact on the budget of the manager at the time.

Originally Posted by dunk

As has been pointed out, Liverpool were every bit as disillusioned with their owners and higher levels until Klopp turned up, now they're the best owners ever.

They've all been the problem to differing degrees.

We've bought shit players because the scouting is poor, the manager's knowledge of the World game hasn't been sufficient or they've identified players at odds with how the club wants to play.

We've paid over the odds because we haven't the resources to compete with cash rich clubs and have had to do shit, structured deals. Equally we've shied away from competing for players our rivals have gone for for similar reasons.

No idea on the rational for refusing to sell/release players. Offering contracts to Mata etc. is £#%&!ing mental.

Wrong.

Apparently it had more to do with the appointment of a competent sporting director to work along side Klopp...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.l...l-15632628.amp



Makes even angrier that we seem so far behind when it comes to the structure of the club when our rivals have it so £#%&!ing right.

Originally Posted by AK14

Wrong.

Apparently it had more to do with the appointment of a competent sporting director to work along side Klopp...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.l...l-15632628.amp



Makes even angrier that we seem so far behind when it comes to the structure of the club when our rivals have it so £#%&!ing right.

Oh well £#%&! me.

Liverpool owners seem to have long term goals, ie trophies. I don’t follow their actions closely enough to know what they’ve done. But their rhetoric has been good whenever I’ve seen them speak.

Our owners have a long term goal to make cash selling shirts and sponsorships. That is Woodward’s rhetoric. He is a Glazer hire. He was their employee. Woodward has no long term vision beyond balance sheets.

Every manager since Fergie has had complaints about the business side of the club and how it influences decisions. What more do you need to hear?

Originally Posted by MartialLaw

The problem is who's employing him. He's doing the job they want otherwise he wouldn't be there.

On the footballing side he could be doing far better, even with their restrictions. The wage bill could be at least 20% lower for one, and he should have had the foresight to see the knock on effects the sanchez contract would cause.

Originally Posted by Bobda

A new Chief Exec in place before Wednesday will definitely help the footballers be better at football by the time we play City.

It may help Ole get rid of the players he wants to get rid of in summer.

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

I've got a degree of sympathy for this POV, each manager was backed handsomely..

They were backed incompetently.

Originally Posted by Bobda

Neither can picking and choosing who gets an extension, that’s pure speculation who makes that call. The ultimate decision is surely with the Manager. Imagine Woodward encouraging Mourinho to extend Youngs contact because we are better off financially because of it. That makes no sense whatsoever on any level.

It doesn’t. But you can bet it happened. It’s entirely a financial decision.

Do you think mourinho wanted rojo to be given a pay rise and new contract despite the fact he never played him and wanted him sold a month or two later?

Originally Posted by Bobda

Having a player earning £400k a week is also not detrimental to the performance of the team on the pitch.

Now you definitely sound like woodward, because it definitely does affect on pitch performance.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Hindsight? Just about everyone knew how this season was going to go after the summer and mourinho’s reaction throughout.

Originally Posted by Bobda

No. As previously mentioned, he was backed publically and financially to a point. The club had given him everything he asked, but the club wasn’t getting back from him what they asked, results.

He’d finished second in the league when they took the decision to not back his summer plans.

Originally Posted by dunk

As has been pointed out, Liverpool were every bit as disillusioned with their owners and higher levels until Klopp turned up, now they're the best owners ever.

Klopp also won a battle with the higher levels over structure and strategy regarding transfers.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

They were backed incompetently.

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

backing isn't about throwing fortunes at marque players, its being competent at negotiating the wages and contract length of existing and new signings. Its being competent at negotiating with other clubs to shift players the manager doesn't want or for new signings so you are not seen as a touch at all future negotiations which forces you to pay over the odds and get less for more. Its putting a team in place around the manager so that there is continuity for the club and also for the next manager whenever that may be so a new manager doesn't have to come in and wonder who is identifying players and why he has players in his squad that he doesn't want and can't shift.

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bUt NoThINg 1s hiS FauLT.

Originally Posted by Buck

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Only to the Jewish fans who's nana was gassed by his grandad.

Originally Posted by Buck

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Clueless. That's all he sees, the name. We aren't making it back to the top with him overseeing transfers and contracts.

Originally Posted by Buck

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Tbf he didn't say precisely whose fans would be feeling those "shivers"

Originally Posted by Buck

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Originally Posted by red in cumbria

Tbf he didn't say precisely whose fans would be feeling those "shivers"

https://twitter.com/Record_Sport/status/1122032631929901058