Ole

It's so £#%&!ing frustrating.

He appears to be doing most of the right things. He's shifted half the @#%&!s out (though a lot on loan) and is trusting the kids. The signings this summer were good and we look a lot better at the back.

He's being massively let down by the midfield and strikers. We don't have the best bunch but there's far more quality then is being shown.

Maybe we'll sign one or two in January and it everything will just click. But it feels a million miles away. The results are poorer than anyone could have expected. If he wasn't a club legend, he'd have gone by now.

Originally Posted by Lazlo Panaflex

Going to try to win. Thank God.

He's realised what the missing ingredient has been away from home
Trying to win

Originally Posted by Lok

It's so £#%&!ing frustrating.

He appears to be doing most of the right things. He's shifted half the @#%&!s out (though a lot on loan) and is trusting the kids. The signings this summer were good and we look a lot better at the back.

He's being massively let down by the midfield and strikers. We don't have the best bunch but there's far more quality then is being shown.

Maybe we'll sign one or two in January and it everything will just click. But it feels a million miles away. The results are poorer than anyone could have expected. If he wasn't a club legend, he'd have gone by now.

It won't.

HTH.

Hanging on the word of a manager and moaning if it isn’t exactly to the word what you wanted him to say is really rather pathetic.

The tide turns.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Hanging on the word of a manager and moaning if it isn’t exactly to the word what you wanted him to say is really rather pathetic.

You really are a tedious, boring #@&%!.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

You really are a tedious, boring #@&%!.

Sometimes windy is just right.

Not often though.

Originally Posted by Switching Off

Yep. Sacking him leaves the same problems for the next guy, who would start well and then see the same problems, and people would be calling for his head.

It says a lot about the clubs history that we believe Ole with the team that he has can achieve great things this year. It's as if we can just utter those magical words..."glory glory Man Utd" and everything will fall into place. That seemed to have happened with Fergie's youth team when they broke through but it's good to remember Fergie was under increasing pressure during his early spell and was facing the sack himself then at the last minute it seemed Man Utd won the FA cup and his job was safe. It was fitting that Fergie's team would go on to win many trophies and some in the last minutes. That first cup and the others that followed which were even more impressive created some of the most exhilarating times. For many years before the success, Bryan Robson was the Man Utd Talisman that waved the flag and would give everything to try and force wins through sheer determination and skill. It was even more special that he would be able to end his career on a high and pass on aura of greatness to the youth who followed in his footsteps.

As a fan I feel the biggest fault at present I can see is the lack of belief. I see players looking despairingly at each other (especially the youth) when the fact is if they enjoy the games we should see them smiling and determined. The way we play is indicative of that fear and lack of belief. Daniel James and Rashford are the few that will move forward and attack. Rashford is under a lot of pressure at the moment and I don't like to see the very disturbing chatter about him. It's unfair he has ran himself into the ground, played games when he clearly was injured and in one game three players went off and he was forced to limp on. He makes good runs but he rarely gets the through balls. Lukaku had the same problem but guess what? since he left he's scoring for fun again. The huge problem is the shape of the team. Players waiting for the ball to be passed instead running to it and running to support other players. They are often too isolated. At last we are starting to use the channels and width of the pitch but yesterday it was telling in the Europa game that Brandon Williams made himself available to run down to the corner but didn't get the ball instead it was lost in the packed area in front of goal. Diogo Dalo is a good crosser of the ball and wasn't used enough. When we did get the crosses there just wasn't enough people running into the box to benefit.

This brings me to tactics and style of play. We actually have very talented players but they are not being used to attack instead they are just being used as paper weights. Seeing Man Utd players give so much space to teams is worrying. The fact is Liverpool, Man Utd and Man city when winning the Premiership rarely conceded space they played hard and fast. We are playing at such a slow pace at times when we should be charging into the other team. I can't help but think back to last year under Mourinho when we were losing 2-0 to Newcastle at half time. We had played awful up to that time and then the tactics were changed in the second half. All of a sudden players were pushing high and going on the attack and there was a wonderful moment where the cameraman filmed a line of Man Utd players charging up the field towards the Newcastle goal. We ended up winning that game and afterwards some people were saying how it reminded them of better years past. I felt quite euphoric after the game I can only imagine what it was like to actually be there. My point here is sometime the best form of defence is attack. Our players have pace and ability so why not use it. We might let more goals in but we should be scoring more. Also players like Harry Maguire, Victor Lindelhof and even Phil Jones (who is an excellent attacking defender) scare players when they make charges forward they are like arrows that shoot quite far and teams seem to back off them. Pogba, James when they push forward cause problems and Rashford too. Man Utd should intimidate other teams because the legacy that people talk about is all about having a winning mentality. Not worrying when you look a fool because you lost the ball but continuing to attack and play as if you're already 2-0 down.

I hope Ole will realise attack is the best option, the universe speaks to us in strange ways and its funny how an attacker is managing the club. Maybe he should focus on pushing high and getting the crosses in to players that are rampaging with glee in to the box laughing their merry heads off in anticipation of getting a goal. I just want to see the fun back. At the moment it is hard to watch them play at times. I do believe in Ole and the players though I just think time is needed and that there is nothing rotten at the club, the only rotten thing is the bad press they get and lack of support. When things go wrong it's sad that players get highlighted and accused of being poor quality and the abuse they get is awful. It's very telling that Lukaku and Sanchez have been putting in the goals again. They never lost their ability and they would have been really useful right now but fans made it clear they didn't want them at the club. It was never them at fault but the lack of support they had in games and off the pitch. It's too easy to knock someone and we all have our own opinions but as a ManUtd supporter I hope my opinions will always be constructive not destructive. So even if I find this team at the bottom of the table next year or worse I will still sing Ole Ole Ole because apart from having a nice ring to it and being a prelude to a polka dance playing about in my head I believe lessons will be learnt this year and with great players like Carrick and Phelan helping something great will eventually happen. Liverpool might be loving our current problems but how sweeter is success when you're the underdog.

Originally Posted by cantonafan

it says a lot about the clubs history that we believe ole with the team that he has can achieve great things this year. It's as if we can just utter those magical words..."glory glory man utd" and everything will fall into place. That seemed to have happened with fergie's youth team when they broke through but it's good to remember fergie was under increasing pressure during his early spell and was facing the sack himself then at the last minute it seemed man utd won the fa cup and his job was safe. It was fitting that fergie's team would go on to win many trophies and some in the last minutes. That first cup and the others that followed which were even more impressive created some of the most exhilarating times. For many years before the success, bryan robson was the man utd talisman that waved the flag and would give everything to try and force wins through sheer determination and skill. It was even more special that he would be able to end his career on a high and pass on aura of greatness to the youth who followed in his footsteps.

As a fan i feel the biggest fault at present i can see is the lack of belief. I see players looking despairingly at each other (especially the youth) when the fact is if they enjoy the games we should see them smiling and determined. The way we play is indicative of that fear and lack of belief. Daniel james and rashford are the few that will move forward and attack. Rashford is under a lot of pressure at the moment and i don't like to see the very disturbing chatter about him. It's unfair he has ran himself into the ground, played games when he clearly was injured and in one game three players went off and he was forced to limp on. He makes good runs but he rarely gets the through balls. Lukaku had the same problem but guess what? Since he left he's scoring for fun again. The huge problem is the shape of the team. Players waiting for the ball to be passed instead running to it and running to support other players. They are often too isolated. At last we are starting to use the channels and width of the pitch but yesterday it was telling in the europa game that brandon williams made himself available to run down to the corner but didn't get the ball instead it was lost in the packed area in front of goal. Diogo dalo is a good crosser of the ball and wasn't used enough. When we did get the crosses there just wasn't enough people running into the box to benefit.

This brings me to tactics and style of play. We actually have very talented players but they are not being used to attack instead they are just being used as paper weights. Seeing man utd players give so much space to teams is worrying. The fact is liverpool, man utd and man city when winning the premiership rarely conceded space they played hard and fast. We are playing at such a slow pace at times when we should be charging into the other team. I can't help but think back to last year under mourinho when we were losing 2-0 to newcastle at half time. We had played awful up to that time and then the tactics were changed in the second half. All of a sudden players were pushing high and going on the attack and there was a wonderful moment where the cameraman filmed a line of man utd players charging up the field towards the newcastle goal. We ended up winning that game and afterwards some people were saying how it reminded them of better years past. I felt quite euphoric after the game i can only imagine what it was like to actually be there. My point here is sometime the best form of defence is attack. Our players have pace and ability so why not use it. We might let more goals in but we should be scoring more. Also players like harry maguire, victor lindelhof and even phil jones (who is an excellent attacking defender) scare players when they make charges forward they are like arrows that shoot quite far and teams seem to back off them. Pogba, james when they push forward cause problems and rashford too. Man utd should intimidate other teams because the legacy that people talk about is all about having a winning mentality. Not worrying when you look a fool because you lost the ball but continuing to attack and play as if you're already 2-0 down.

I hope ole will realise attack is the best option, the universe speaks to us in strange ways and its funny how an attacker is managing the club. Maybe he should focus on pushing high and getting the crosses in to players that are rampaging with glee in to the box laughing their merry heads off in anticipation of getting a goal. I just want to see the fun back. At the moment it is hard to watch them play at times. I do believe in ole and the players though i just think time is needed and that there is nothing rotten at the club, the only rotten thing is the bad press they get and lack of support. When things go wrong it's sad that players get highlighted and accused of being poor quality and the abuse they get is awful. It's very telling that lukaku and sanchez have been putting in the goals again. They never lost their ability and they would have been really useful right now but fans made it clear they didn't want them at the club. It was never them at fault but the lack of support they had in games and off the pitch. It's too easy to knock someone and we all have our own opinions but as a manutd supporter i hope my opinions will always be constructive not destructive. So even if i find this team at the bottom of the table next year or worse i will still sing ole ole ole because apart from having a nice ring to it and being a prelude to a polka dance playing about in my head i believe lessons will be learnt this year and with great players like carrick and phelan helping something great will eventually happen. Liverpool might be loving our current problems but how sweeter is success when you're the underdog.

nrat

Originally Posted by cantonafan

It says a lot about the clubs history that we believe Ole with the team that he has can achieve great things this year. It's as if we can just utter those magical words..."glory glory Man Utd" and everything will fall into place. That seemed to have happened with Fergie's youth team when they broke through but it's good to remember Fergie was under increasing pressure during his early spell and was facing the sack himself then at the last minute it seemed Man Utd won the FA cup and his job was safe. It was fitting that Fergie's team would go on to win many trophies and some in the last minutes. That first cup and the others that followed which were even more impressive created some of the most exhilarating times. For many years before the success, Bryan Robson was the Man Utd Talisman that waved the flag and would give everything to try and force wins through sheer determination and skill. It was even more special that he would be able to end his career on a high and pass on aura of greatness to the youth who followed in his footsteps.

As a fan I feel the biggest fault at present I can see is the lack of belief. I see players looking despairingly at each other (especially the youth) when the fact is if they enjoy the games we should see them smiling and determined. The way we play is indicative of that fear and lack of belief. Daniel James and Rashford are the few that will move forward and attack. Rashford is under a lot of pressure at the moment and I don't like to see the very disturbing chatter about him. It's unfair he has ran himself into the ground, played games when he clearly was injured and in one game three players went off and he was forced to limp on. He makes good runs but he rarely gets the through balls. Lukaku had the same problem but guess what? since he left he's scoring for fun again. The huge problem is the shape of the team. Players waiting for the ball to be passed instead running to it and running to support other players. They are often too isolated. At last we are starting to use the channels and width of the pitch but yesterday it was telling in the Europa game that Brandon Williams made himself available to run down to the corner but didn't get the ball instead it was lost in the packed area in front of goal. Diogo Dalo is a good crosser of the ball and wasn't used enough. When we did get the crosses there just wasn't enough people running into the box to benefit.

This brings me to tactics and style of play. We actually have very talented players but they are not being used to attack instead they are just being used as paper weights. Seeing Man Utd players give so much space to teams is worrying. The fact is Liverpool, Man Utd and Man city when winning the Premiership rarely conceded space they played hard and fast. We are playing at such a slow pace at times when we should be charging into the other team. I can't help but think back to last year under Mourinho when we were losing 2-0 to Newcastle at half time. We had played awful up to that time and then the tactics were changed in the second half. All of a sudden players were pushing high and going on the attack and there was a wonderful moment where the cameraman filmed a line of Man Utd players charging up the field towards the Newcastle goal. We ended up winning that game and afterwards some people were saying how it reminded them of better years past. I felt quite euphoric after the game I can only imagine what it was like to actually be there. My point here is sometime the best form of defence is attack. Our players have pace and ability so why not use it. We might let more goals in but we should be scoring more. Also players like Harry Maguire, Victor Lindelhof and even Phil Jones (who is an excellent attacking defender) scare players when they make charges forward they are like arrows that shoot quite far and teams seem to back off them. Pogba, James when they push forward cause problems and Rashford too. Man Utd should intimidate other teams because the legacy that people talk about is all about having a winning mentality. Not worrying when you look a fool because you lost the ball but continuing to attack and play as if you're already 2-0 down.

I hope Ole will realise attack is the best option, the universe speaks to us in strange ways and its funny how an attacker is managing the club. Maybe he should focus on pushing high and getting the crosses in to players that are rampaging with glee in to the box laughing their merry heads off in anticipation of getting a goal. I just want to see the fun back. At the moment it is hard to watch them play at times. I do believe in Ole and the players though I just think time is needed and that there is nothing rotten at the club, the only rotten thing is the bad press they get and lack of support. When things go wrong it's sad that players get highlighted and accused of being poor quality and the abuse they get is awful. It's very telling that Lukaku and Sanchez have been putting in the goals again. They never lost their ability and they would have been really useful right now but fans made it clear they didn't want them at the club. It was never them at fault but the lack of support they had in games and off the pitch. It's too easy to knock someone and we all have our own opinions but as a ManUtd supporter I hope my opinions will always be constructive not destructive. So even if I find this team at the bottom of the table next year or worse I will still sing Ole Ole Ole because apart from having a nice ring to it and being a prelude to a polka dance playing about in my head I believe lessons will be learnt this year and with great players like Carrick and Phelan helping something great will eventually happen. Liverpool might be loving our current problems but how sweeter is success when you're the underdog.

big read that and you'll get blasted for it - even Clownbones may object to its length - but yeah, I don't disagree in the main. We need to be patient but we also need to see some signs that the current crop of utter shutcints are responding positively. Not seeing too much of the latter at the moment.

Originally Posted by cantonafan

So even if I find this team at the bottom of the table next year or worse I will still sing Ole Ole Ole because apart from having a nice ring to it and being a prelude to a polka dance playing about in my head

Originally Posted by cantonafan

. The fact is Liverpool, Man Utd and Man city when winning the Premiership rarely conceded space they played hard and fast.

When did Liverpool win the Premiership?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

When did Liverpool win the Premiership?

Originally Posted by cantonafan

It says a lot about the clubs history that we believe Ole with the team that he has can achieve great things this year. It's as if we can just utter those magical words..."glory glory Man Utd" and everything will fall into place. That seemed to have happened with Fergie's youth team when they broke through but it's good to remember Fergie was under increasing pressure during his early spell and was facing the sack himself then at the last minute it seemed Man Utd won the FA cup and his job was safe. It was fitting that Fergie's team would go on to win many trophies and some in the last minutes. That first cup and the others that followed which were even more impressive created some of the most exhilarating times. For many years before the success, Bryan Robson was the Man Utd Talisman that waved the flag and would give everything to try and force wins through sheer determination and skill. It was even more special that he would be able to end his career on a high and pass on aura of greatness to the youth who followed in his footsteps.

As a fan I feel the biggest fault at present I can see is the lack of belief. I see players looking despairingly at each other (especially the youth) when the fact is if they enjoy the games we should see them smiling and determined. The way we play is indicative of that fear and lack of belief. Daniel James and Rashford are the few that will move forward and attack. Rashford is under a lot of pressure at the moment and I don't like to see the very disturbing chatter about him. It's unfair he has ran himself into the ground, played games when he clearly was injured and in one game three players went off and he was forced to limp on. He makes good runs but he rarely gets the through balls. Lukaku had the same problem but guess what? since he left he's scoring for fun again. The huge problem is the shape of the team. Players waiting for the ball to be passed instead running to it and running to support other players. They are often too isolated. At last we are starting to use the channels and width of the pitch but yesterday it was telling in the Europa game that Brandon Williams made himself available to run down to the corner but didn't get the ball instead it was lost in the packed area in front of goal. Diogo Dalo is a good crosser of the ball and wasn't used enough. When we did get the crosses there just wasn't enough people running into the box to benefit.

This brings me to tactics and style of play. We actually have very talented players but they are not being used to attack instead they are just being used as paper weights. Seeing Man Utd players give so much space to teams is worrying. The fact is Liverpool, Man Utd and Man city when winning the Premiership rarely conceded space they played hard and fast. We are playing at such a slow pace at times when we should be charging into the other team. I can't help but think back to last year under Mourinho when we were losing 2-0 to Newcastle at half time. We had played awful up to that time and then the tactics were changed in the second half. All of a sudden players were pushing high and going on the attack and there was a wonderful moment where the cameraman filmed a line of Man Utd players charging up the field towards the Newcastle goal. We ended up winning that game and afterwards some people were saying how it reminded them of better years past. I felt quite euphoric after the game I can only imagine what it was like to actually be there. My point here is sometime the best form of defence is attack. Our players have pace and ability so why not use it. We might let more goals in but we should be scoring more. Also players like Harry Maguire, Victor Lindelhof and even Phil Jones (who is an excellent attacking defender) scare players when they make charges forward they are like arrows that shoot quite far and teams seem to back off them. Pogba, James when they push forward cause problems and Rashford too. Man Utd should intimidate other teams because the legacy that people talk about is all about having a winning mentality. Not worrying when you look a fool because you lost the ball but continuing to attack and play as if you're already 2-0 down.

I hope Ole will realise attack is the best option, the universe speaks to us in strange ways and its funny how an attacker is managing the club. Maybe he should focus on pushing high and getting the crosses in to players that are rampaging with glee in to the box laughing their merry heads off in anticipation of getting a goal. I just want to see the fun back. At the moment it is hard to watch them play at times. I do believe in Ole and the players though I just think time is needed and that there is nothing rotten at the club, the only rotten thing is the bad press they get and lack of support. When things go wrong it's sad that players get highlighted and accused of being poor quality and the abuse they get is awful. It's very telling that Lukaku and Sanchez have been putting in the goals again. They never lost their ability and they would have been really useful right now but fans made it clear they didn't want them at the club. It was never them at fault but the lack of support they had in games and off the pitch. It's too easy to knock someone and we all have our own opinions but as a ManUtd supporter I hope my opinions will always be constructive not destructive. So even if I find this team at the bottom of the table next year or worse I will still sing Ole Ole Ole because apart from having a nice ring to it and being a prelude to a polka dance playing about in my head I believe lessons will be learnt this year and with great players like Carrick and Phelan helping something great will eventually happen. Liverpool might be loving our current problems but how sweeter is success when you're the underdog.

Premier League.

I don't care even enough to read all of that.

its shit and will be for a long time

“ Phil Jones (who is an excellent attacking defender) scare players when they make charges forward they are like arrows that shoot quite far “

Perfectly summed up imo.

Originally Posted by Ethers

“ Phil Jones (who is an excellent attacking defender) scare players when they make charges forward they are like arrows that shoot quite far “

Perfectly summed up imo.

should be on this thread

well, thats quite an opinion

Originally Posted by cantonafan

It says a lot about the clubs history that we believe Ole with the team that he has can achieve great things this year. It's as if we can just utter those magical words..."glory glory Man Utd" and everything will fall into place. That seemed to have happened with Fergie's youth team when they broke through but it's good to remember Fergie was under increasing pressure during his early spell and was facing the sack himself then at the last minute it seemed Man Utd won the FA cup and his job was safe. It was fitting that Fergie's team would go on to win many trophies and some in the last minutes. That first cup and the others that followed which were even more impressive created some of the most exhilarating times. For many years before the success, Bryan Robson was the Man Utd Talisman that waved the flag and would give everything to try and force wins through sheer determination and skill. It was even more special that he would be able to end his career on a high and pass on aura of greatness to the youth who followed in his footsteps.

As a fan I feel the biggest fault at present I can see is the lack of belief. I see players looking despairingly at each other (especially the youth) when the fact is if they enjoy the games we should see them smiling and determined. The way we play is indicative of that fear and lack of belief. Daniel James and Rashford are the few that will move forward and attack. Rashford is under a lot of pressure at the moment and I don't like to see the very disturbing chatter about him. It's unfair he has ran himself into the ground, played games when he clearly was injured and in one game three players went off and he was forced to limp on. He makes good runs but he rarely gets the through balls. Lukaku had the same problem but guess what? since he left he's scoring for fun again. The huge problem is the shape of the team. Players waiting for the ball to be passed instead running to it and running to support other players. They are often too isolated. At last we are starting to use the channels and width of the pitch but yesterday it was telling in the Europa game that Brandon Williams made himself available to run down to the corner but didn't get the ball instead it was lost in the packed area in front of goal. Diogo Dalo is a good crosser of the ball and wasn't used enough. When we did get the crosses there just wasn't enough people running into the box to benefit.

This brings me to tactics and style of play. We actually have very talented players but they are not being used to attack instead they are just being used as paper weights. Seeing Man Utd players give so much space to teams is worrying. The fact is Liverpool, Man Utd and Man city when winning the Premiership rarely conceded space they played hard and fast. We are playing at such a slow pace at times when we should be charging into the other team. I can't help but think back to last year under Mourinho when we were losing 2-0 to Newcastle at half time. We had played awful up to that time and then the tactics were changed in the second half. All of a sudden players were pushing high and going on the attack and there was a wonderful moment where the cameraman filmed a line of Man Utd players charging up the field towards the Newcastle goal. We ended up winning that game and afterwards some people were saying how it reminded them of better years past. I felt quite euphoric after the game I can only imagine what it was like to actually be there. My point here is sometime the best form of defence is attack. Our players have pace and ability so why not use it. We might let more goals in but we should be scoring more. Also players like Harry Maguire, Victor Lindelhof and even Phil Jones (who is an excellent attacking defender) scare players when they make charges forward they are like arrows that shoot quite far and teams seem to back off them. Pogba, James when they push forward cause problems and Rashford too. Man Utd should intimidate other teams because the legacy that people talk about is all about having a winning mentality. Not worrying when you look a fool because you lost the ball but continuing to attack and play as if you're already 2-0 down.

I hope Ole will realise attack is the best option, the universe speaks to us in strange ways and its funny how an attacker is managing the club. Maybe he should focus on pushing high and getting the crosses in to players that are rampaging with glee in to the box laughing their merry heads off in anticipation of getting a goal. I just want to see the fun back. At the moment it is hard to watch them play at times. I do believe in Ole and the players though I just think time is needed and that there is nothing rotten at the club, the only rotten thing is the bad press they get and lack of support. When things go wrong it's sad that players get highlighted and accused of being poor quality and the abuse they get is awful. It's very telling that Lukaku and Sanchez have been putting in the goals again. They never lost their ability and they would have been really useful right now but fans made it clear they didn't want them at the club. It was never them at fault but the lack of support they had in games and off the pitch. It's too easy to knock someone and we all have our own opinions but as a ManUtd supporter I hope my opinions will always be constructive not destructive. So even if I find this team at the bottom of the table next year or worse I will still sing Ole Ole Ole because apart from having a nice ring to it and being a prelude to a polka dance playing about in my head I believe lessons will be learnt this year and with great players like Carrick and Phelan helping something great will eventually happen. Liverpool might be loving our current problems but how sweeter is success when you're the underdog.

£#%&!ing hell, have I logged in twice here?

Originally Posted by windy waffles

You really are a tedious, boring #@&%!.

Unsurprisingly, your judgment is shit.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

Sometimes windy is just right.

Not often though.

You thinking he’s right automatically confirms he’s wrong.

Love Ole, wanted it to work, and deluded myself into believing we'd see a real change in our approach, and see a distinct style of play start to develop. It's not happened, there's no signs of it happening, our football is shite, his tactics are shite, and life is too short to waste years waiting for it to not be shite.

Get Bielsa.