Conte rattled

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

1st season:
Summer: Buttner, Bebe, Kagawa, Nani, Cleverley, Chicharito.
Winter: Anderson, Fletcher

2nd season:
Summer: van Persie, Rafael, Di María, Evans

Decimated? It was generally players everyone expected to leave. We didn’t sign enough players, but that was more do with the fact there was so much work to be done. This idea that clearing the decks of those players is the issue is ridiculous.

United have been playing catch up in the market for years. Which is why even after Mourinho has ploughed another £300m in we still feel well short of where we really want to be.

Welbz too. You were pretty pissed off about it iirc. He had requested a transfer though, before we'd even sacked Moyes.

Apparently Mourinho wouldn't have flogged him, Cheech or Evans. Says he wouldn't have anyway, but he says a lot of things.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

Don’t think you’d ever think we’re special but hey.... United, Ireland, trends, fashion etc ...

Sorry rooers ...

Wish some of you OOTs would leave the support to supporters.... I know, you are doing.

We're special to us. Not to him though.

Originally Posted by That Boy Ronaldo!

Thank £#%&! for that!

Yeah, glad we saved that cash for Lukaku, Lindelof and Mkhitaryan.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Yeah, glad we saved that cash for Lukaku, Lindelof and Mkhitaryan.

If only we had more Darmain's

I'm critical of Mou's business last summer (he got a lot wrong imo) but never to the levels of van Gaal.

Keep on fighting the fight mate.

Originally Posted by andyroo

Welbz too. You were pretty pissed off about it iirc. He had requested a transfer though, before we'd even sacked Moyes.

Apparently Mourinho wouldn't have flogged him, Cheech or Evans. Says he wouldn't have anyway, but he says a lot of things.

Literally hardly anyone on here cares about Welbz or any of the other sales at the time. And as much as I loved Welbeck, he just like the rest have hardly proved us wrong since leaving. This retrospective stuff about selling too many of the lads formerly known as shit@#%&!s is insane.

Originally Posted by That Boy Ronaldo!

If only we had more Darmain's

I'm critical of Mou's business last summer (he got a lot wrong imo) but never to the levels of van Gaal.

Keep on fighting the fight mate.

Comparing a £15m squad defender to the worlds most expensive centre forward

Martial, along with Pogba, Uniteds best signings since DDG

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Literally hardly anyone on here cares about Welbz or any of the other sales at the time. And as much as I loved Welbeck, he just like the rest have hardly proved us wrong since leaving. This retrospective stuff about selling too many of the lads formerly known as shit@#%&!s is insane.

I agree largely. Still gutted about Rafael though. And Hernández even, he was a bit rubbish but loveable.

Everyone can't wait for Mourinho to clear out more of the shit@#%&!s, that's fair enough too, but, as with Van Gaal, more important is who we replace them with.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

1st season:
Summer: Buttner, Bebe, Kagawa, Nani, Cleverley, Chicharito.
Winter: Anderson, Fletcher

2nd season:
Summer: van Persie, Rafael, Di María, Evans

Decimated? It was generally players everyone expected to leave. We didn’t sign enough players, but that was more do with the fact there was so much work to be done. This idea that clearing the decks of those players is the issue is ridiculous.

United have been playing catch up in the market for years. Which is why even after Mourinho has ploughed another £300m in we still feel well short of where we really want to be.

Clearing the decks and not replacing them with enough, superior players was the issue. Says it all when only two of his signings can be considered a success and one of them is a back up goal keeper

He £#%&!ed up and in the end it cost him his job.

Originally Posted by AK14

Clearing the decks and not replacing them with enough, superior players was the issue. Says it all when only two of his signings can be considered a success and one of them is a back up goal keeper

He £#%&!ed up and in the end it cost him his job.

We would have done no better with the players sold. With the possible exception that another body in attack 2015/16 would have helped, even if it was a Van Persie who could barely run or a Chicharito who can’t play football.

Blind, Shaw and Martial were all very good for him. Rojo is decent. But yes too many misses, although that happens at many clubs. Mou has signed fewer players but he’s already got a few iffy ones himself. It’s not easy playing catch up after losing all the key personnel.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

We would have done no better with the players sold. With the possible exception that another body in attack 2015/16 would have helped, even if it was a Van Persie who could barely run or a Chicharito who can’t play football.

Blind, Shaw and Martial were all very good for him. Rojo is decent. But yes too many misses, although that happens at many clubs. Mou has signed fewer players but he’s already got a few iffy ones himself. It’s not easy playing catch up after losing all the key personnel.

Who's to say we wouldn't have done better? The players brought in weren't so superior to the ones let go, surely Van Gaal should have been expected to coach the players etc...

Blind was decent for him, but is no better than some of the players he sold. Shaw (who when it suits certain people is called a woody signing and not a VG signing) was decent for him for about 6 games of his second season, Rojo was never good enough to be considered a first team player, Darmian.....

The problem was Van Gaal seemed to sell players just for the sake of it, replaced them with either inferior or same level players or youth kids that were in no way good enough to be considered first team players (other than a couple)

The way Mou is doing it is the correct way, brings in a player and then sells a shit @#%&!. On paper all of Mou's signings are superior to the players he let go of, of course sometimes it doesn't work out, like Mikki. But, he was a well sought after player, German player of the years or some shit. Comparing that signing to any of Van Gaals is batshit, Van Gaal signed dross and that's what £#%&!ed him up long term

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

We would have done no better with the players sold. With the possible exception that another body in attack 2015/16 would have helped, even if it was a Van Persie who could barely run or a Chicharito who can’t play football.

Blind, Shaw and Martial were all very good for him. Rojo is decent. But yes too many misses, although that happens at many clubs. Mou has signed fewer players but he’s already got a few iffy ones himself. It’s not easy playing catch up after losing all the key personnel.

Mkhitaryan probably the only iffy one, and at £25m for the best player in the Bundesliga it was hard to see how it would turn out. The rest of them all successes IMV:-

Zlatan - clear success in his first season. Did what he was brought in for
Pogba - worldie, obvious success
Bailly - looks a proper player

Lukaku - 16 goals in his first half season with plenty more to come
Matic - obvious success, filled a gap that needed filling
Lindelof - starting to show why we bought him. Another youngster with plenty more to come

1 out of 7 looks a bit iffy and in this market if he's sold we'd get our money back on him.

Originally Posted by Switching Off

Mkhitaryan probably the only iffy one, and at £25m for the best player in the Bundesliga it was hard to see how it would turn out. The rest of them all successes IMV:-

Zlatan - clear success in his first season. Did what he was brought in for
Pogba - worldie, obvious success
Bailly - looks a proper player

Lukaku - 16 goals in his first half season with plenty more to come
Matic - obvious success, filled a gap that needed filling
Lindelof - starting to show why we bought him. Another youngster with plenty more to come

1 out of 7 looks a bit iffy and in this market if he's sold we'd get our money back on him.

Exactly

Switchers knows...

Well every one knows, beside a couple with some sort of agenda

Originally Posted by AK14

Who's to say we wouldn't have done better? The players brought in weren't so superior to the ones let go, surely Van Gaal should have been expected to coach the players etc...

Blind was decent for him, but is no better than some of the players he sold. Shaw (who when it suits certain people is called a woody signing and not a VG signing) was decent for him for about 6 games of his second season, Rojo was never good enough to be considered a first team player, Darmian.....

The problem was Van Gaal seemed to sell players just for the sake of it, replaced them with either inferior or same level players or youth kids that were in no way good enough to be considered first team players (other than a couple)

The way Mou is doing it is the correct way, brings in a player and then sells a shit @#%&!. On paper all of Mou's signings are superior to the players he let go of, of course sometimes it doesn't work out, like Mikki. But, he was a well sought after player, German player of the years or some shit. Comparing that signing to any of Van Gaals is batshit, Van Gaal signed dross and that's what £#%&!ed him up long term

Van Gaal always looks long term. He sold players that he knew had no long term role to play at the club. And has been proven correct on all of them. He’s allowed to get a few wrong, but I maintain the main problem was simply not signing more players. Why that didn’t happen who knows, but it left him short.

Though we still ended his tenure with a young side taking shape, especially in attack. Which was a far better situation to inherit than the one in 2014. And I do wonder what would have happened if we’d just persevered with that youthful attack rather than the Zlat, Mkhi, Lukaku deviation.

Not on a WUM, Siders but how can you say "LvG didn't sign enough players" and then dismiss anyone who says Mourinho needs to sign more?

Makes zero sense, unless you are on a WUM when you say it

Originally Posted by Clarkie

Not on a WUM, Siders but how can you say "LvG didn't sign enough players" and then dismiss anyone who says Mourinho needs to sign more?

Makes zero sense, unless you are on a WUM when you say it

Have never said Mourinho doesn’t need to sign more

Just said he should be finishing top two based on what he has done,

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Have never said Mourinho doesn’t need to sign more

Just said he should be finishing top two based on ebay he has done,

Quality Freudian slip

We are top two now tbf... should be more comfortable after that repulsive December but hopefully stabilising now.

Originally Posted by Switching Off

Mkhitaryan probably the only iffy one, and at £25m for the best player in the Bundesliga it was hard to see how it would turn out. The rest of them all successes IMV:-

Zlatan - clear success in his first season. Did what he was brought in for
Pogba - worldie, obvious success
Bailly - looks a proper player

Lukaku - 16 goals in his first half season with plenty more to come
Matic - obvious success, filled a gap that needed filling
Lindelof - starting to show why we bought him. Another youngster with plenty more to come

1 out of 7 looks a bit iffy and in this market if he's sold we'd get our money back on him.

Tbh Pogba is the only one I’m really arsed about, and even he is no better than the player he was three years ago. But it’s not easy. United are essentially still trying to replace Rio, Vida, Evra, Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Rooney and RvP.

At some point, rather than constant calling for overhauls or sacking the manager, people will need to accept that this is £#%&!ing hard to do.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Van Gaal always looks long term. He sold players that he knew had no long term role to play at the club. And has been proven correct on all of them. He’s allowed to get a few wrong, but I maintain the main problem was simply not signing more players. Why that didn’t happen who knows, but it left him short.

Though we still ended his tenure with a young side taking shape, especially in attack. Which was a far better situation to inherit than the one in 2014. And I do wonder what would have happened if we’d just persevered with that youthful attack rather than the Zlat, Mkhi, Lukaku deviation.

Always looks long term...

He was retiring at the end of his three year contract pal.

Originally Posted by Switching Off

Mkhitaryan probably the only iffy one, and at £25m for the best player in the Bundesliga it was hard to see how it would turn out. The rest of them all successes IMV:-

Zlatan - clear success in his first season. Did what he was brought in for
Pogba - worldie, obvious success
Bailly - looks a proper player

Lukaku - 16 goals in his first half season with plenty more to come
Matic - obvious success, filled a gap that needed filling
Lindelof - starting to show why we bought him. Another youngster with plenty more to come

1 out of 7 looks a bit iffy and in this market if he's sold we'd get our money back on him.

Lukaku is definitely on the iffy side, had a spark when he started but now he’s just garbage. Might turn it around, might not

Would question whether Zlatan actually worked out as a good signing too tbh. I certainly think the decision to bring him back this season is looking a poor one

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Have never said Mourinho doesn’t need to sign more

Just said he should be finishing top two based on what he has done,

LvG signed 13 players in 2 seasons.
Mourinho has signed 7 in 2 seasons

And you have tbf. You have dismissed anyone suggesting he needs to sign more and scoffed at the idea of giving him more money. "Well done Jose, here have another 300 million " is what you posted the other day

If your argument is that LvG needed to sign more, based on his two seasons with us, which is fair enough, then you can't dismiss the idea that Mourinho needs more signings based on what he has done during his time here

Also, when you say long term, look at the ages of Pogba, Bailly, Lindelof and Lukaku...

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

At some point, rather than constant calling for overhauls or sacking the manager, people will need to accept that this is £#%&!ing hard to do.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

At some point, rather than constant calling for overhauls or sacking the manager, people will need to accept that this is f***ing hard to do.

I completely agree.
I do not want Mourinho to go! I don't want him sacked! Let him do what he has to do. I really don't want to become "another club"

Hopefully Dunk comes round to this way of thinking..