Paul Pogba to PSG?

He's hardly done it FULL STOP

Don't think the 'name # games' is a stupid metric tbh. It's not like you'd struggle to do that for Fernandes, despite being at the club for several years less, and costing half as much.

Originally Posted by MUFC One Love

I think Bunks point is he has hardly done it consistently has he? And forgetting great games what about the games he just does nothing and is poor at times. He's meant to be world class. I always compare him to De Bruyne. Different planet. He does it consistently, even if he isn't having a great game.

Yep, this is a better way of gauging his performances and as you say DeBruyne is on a different planet.

No point measuring him by games he can be sublime and utter shit within the same game. The problem is his complete lack of consistency and that nobody knows where to best play him.

With his physicality and ability he ought to dominate opponents and run matches but he rarely does.

He is capable of winning a game but can also lose it in the blink of an eye. The perfect Instagram footballer got brilliant moments and celebrations.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

No point measuring him by games he can be sublime and utter shit within the same game. The problem is his complete lack of consistency and that nobody knows where to best play him.

With his physicality and ability he ought to dominate opponents and run matches but he rarely does.

He is capable of winning a game but can also lose it in the blink of an eye. The perfect Instagram footballer got brilliant moments and celebrations.

Exactly. Within the same minute in a lot of cases. Can plod along just doing enough and win the game in an instant, Fulham away last season for instance. At other times he can be really good and £#%&! something up, Liverpool away last season.

That penalty when he stuck his hands up at the free kick sort of sums it up. He doesn't seem to be able to focus and manage his game that you'd expect from a player of his talent.

Everyone makes mistakes but he never seems to be able to consistently apply himself. He is a potentially magnificent talent but the question is always can we afford to put up with the downside?

Originally Posted by dunk

Exactly. Within the same minute in a lot of cases. Can plod along just doing enough and win the game in an instant, Fulham away last season for instance. .

We counting this as 1 ?

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

We counting this as 1 ?

No. As explained, your busted arbitrary metric means nothing. Thanks.

Originally Posted by dunk

No. As explained, your busted arbitrary metric means nothing. Thanks.

so aggressive these days Dunk...


1. Fulham
2 city (A)

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

so aggressive these days Dunk...


1. Fulham
2 city (A)

Based on that, every game he’s ever scored in or made a goal, so well over 10 and you’re blown out of the water

Pointless metric.

Originally Posted by dunk

Based on that, every game he’s ever scored in or made a goal, so well over 10 and you’re blown out of the water

Pointless metric.

He's only scored more than 10 ONCE since his return

The leading metric.....

I thought the Chelsea game at home was going to be a turning point but sadly another false start.

Originally Posted by redhegemony

I thought the Chelsea game at home was going to be a turning point but sadly another false start.

1. Fulham (A)
2. City (A)
3. Chelsea (H)

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

He's only scored more than 10 ONCE since his return

The leading metric.....

So, he’s scored over 10, ergo had more than 10 good games. Proof your metric is busted then. Glad we agree.

He’s been massively underwhelming, your chosen method of proving it is bullshit though.

It’s easy to forget individual games. If he plays well in a bog-standard 2-0 home win, we’re unlikely to remember it four years down the line.

The bigger issue is that there aren’t many seasons or spells in seasons where you can point to him being influential. It’s all just small patches or isolated moments. And when he produces one, his fans (well, Marlo) go ‘there you go’…. But it only serves as a reminder of what he CAN do, not what he DOES do.

If you compare with someone like Bruno. We’re not sat here trying to find moments from him, because he’s been our best player since he arrived. Simple as. It’s clear and obvious. He’s got numbers to back it up and his influence doesn’t really need highlighting. With his talent, this is what Pogba should be doing. He SHOULD be by far and away our most important player. He should be 15-20 goals a season and we should be gutted at the prospect of him leaving. Instead, there’s a sense of relief. You should never be happy about a great player leaving ffs.

I actually think last season was his best for us. That spell where we flirted with the top, he got the winner at Burnley, the winner at Fulham and his general game was far more consistent and solid…. But it’s not enough, it faded as the season wore on too, and it’s not enough for him to start demanding wages that would eclipse anything anyone else has earned from the club.

Originally Posted by dunk

So, he’s scored over 10, ergo had more than 10 good games. Proof your metric is busted then. Glad we agree.

He’s been massively underwhelming, your chosen method of proving it is bullshit though.

God you're thick, good games don't make a world class player, neither do goals (see Lukaku)

He's in fact the most overated footballer in world football.....possibly of all time.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

God you're thick, good games don't make a world class player, neither do goals (see Lukaku)

He's in fact the most overated footballer in world football.....possibly of all time.

I’m thick? nowt like confidence pal.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

It’s easy to forget individual games. If he plays well in a bog-standard 2-0 home win, we’re unlikely to remember it four years down the line.

The bigger issue is that there aren’t many seasons or spells in seasons where you can point to him being influential. It’s all just small patches or isolated moments. And when he produces one, his fans (well, Marlo) go ‘there you go’…. But it only serves as a reminder of what he CAN do, not what he DOES do.

If you compare with someone like Bruno. We’re not sat here trying to find moments from him, because he’s been our best player since he arrived. Simple as. It’s clear and obvious. He’s got numbers to back it up and his influence doesn’t really need highlighting. With his talent, this is what Pogba should be doing. He SHOULD be by far and away our most important player. He should be 15-20 goals a season and we should be gutted at the prospect of him leaving. Instead, there’s a sense of relief. You should never be happy about a great player leaving ffs.

I actually think last season was his best for us. That spell where we flirted with the top, he got the winner at Burnley, the winner at Fulham and his general game was far more consistent and solid…. But it’s not enough, it faded as the season wore on too, and it’s not enough for him to start demanding wages that would eclipse anything anyone else has earned from the club.

Can you right that in simple words for bunks to understand, please?

‘hOw MaNy GoOd GaMeS’..’

What if we lower the bar and go for five games? I can think of that easily for most of our top players. Can think of City comeback and maybe 2 or 3 last season for Pogba. Struggling to think of any more. I’ll tell you what I remember way more than his good moments - the many, many times he’s given the ball away while trying to be flash in our half.

It's that you don't know what your going to get from one game to another that's the killer.
The fact is he's holding the team back, what's VdB role this season with him still here ?

Has he gone yet