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Unread 24-07-2021, 11:36 AM
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Are we not arsed about winning trophies anymore lads? Fair enough.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 11:37 AM
Dr Stranger
 
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Are we not arsed about winning trophies anymore lads? Fair enough.
Yes.

Next question.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 11:46 AM
jem
 
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Still questions for him to answer tactically, for me, and we’ll not be winning the title until the midfield is significantly improved, but everything is moving in the right direction and only a brain dead £#%&!ing idiot would argue otherwise.
this, but £#%&! the glazers and can we have some better players and reactive substitutions?
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 11:46 AM
Marvel7
 
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BTW, Tuchel landed Chelsea a european cup after only a few months
So did Di Matteo, they sacked him a few months later, what's your point?

Bottom line is that cups can be won by luck, or by one or two outstanding performances. In our case they can be lost with bad luck or one poor performance.

Ole is in the job because he has lead us to back to back respectable league finishes for the first time since Fergie. My only fear is that our owners will be happy for us to be the new Arsenal and settle for that season after season. Progress must continue to be made.

First half season -.cleaned up Jose's mess

First full season - finished 3rd

Second season - finished second and reached a cup final

Third season - ???????
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 11:53 AM
believe
 
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Are we not arsed about winning trophies anymore lads? Fair enough.
and we’re too big for the FA cup.

Good news for Ole and you hope he is building something but the proof will be in the pudding. He’s got to win a trophy this season or he’ll be gone it’s as simple as that.

Sancho is a great buy and hopefully Varane folows but people seem to have completely forgotten about the other issues we had last season that we papered over with a second place finish. If De Gea continues where he left off we’re £#%&!ed in nets and we still don’t have a reliable striker who can guarantee us 20+ goals and we still need a decent midfielder who can control the game. We’ve basically fixed two positions that didn’t need fixing .

Apart from that I can’t wait for the season to start.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 11:57 AM
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Had to sign him to a new deal before the season starts as you couldn’t have him go into the season as a lame duck manager with his contract up at the end of the season

That being said despite a lot of progress being made with the construction of this squad I still have big doubts over whether Ole and this coaching staff are good enough to get us back to winning the biggest prizes in football

Not arsed about the fact he hasn’t one an FA cup like LvG for a league cup or Europa League like Jose as they’re not important achievements and are very minor trophies to a club of our stature
Ole could win the FA cup, league cup and Europa League every season and if he performed poorly in the league and CL he’d rightly be sacked after 2 or 3 seasons because what really matters to a club like Utd is the league and CL

Midfield is still an issue but if Varane comes then there is no excuse not to make a credible title challenge and do well in the CL this season
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 12:39 PM
saffers
 
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So did Di Matteo, they sacked him a few months later, what's your point?

Bottom line is that cups can be won by luck, or by one or two outstanding performances. In our case they can be lost with bad luck or one poor performance.
Di matteo comparison is lazy. Chelsea 2012 were flukey as £#%&! in every single stage of the tournament.

Tuchel in a few months had Chelsea tactically outwitting the champions of Spain, England and Real Madrid. There was very quickly a manager who stamped his identity and style of play on a team.

There is no doubt they will sack him if they dont build on this cl success. That doesnt exactly disprove my initial point, but rather strengthens it. Some clubs are more ambitious than others.

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Are we not arsed about winning trophies anymore lads? Fair enough.
Just the few on here.

This is a great community but a very small one.

Large majority of United fans I know, both in England and abroad have huge questions mark on the manager and are very concerned that we are about to go to 10 years with no league title. 4 years no trophies now.

We are spending more money than any other club so why is the club not succeeding?
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 12:46 PM
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Di matteo comparison is lazy. Chelsea 2012 were flukey as £#%&! in every single stage of the tournament.

Tuchel in a few months had Chelsea tactically outwitting the champions of Spain, England and Real Madrid. There was very quickly a manager who stamped his identity and style of play on a team.

There is no doubt they will sack him if they dont build on this cl success. That doesnt exactly disprove my initial point, but rather strengthens it. Some clubs are more ambitious than others.



Just the few on here.

This is a great community but a very small one.

Large majority of United fans I know, both in England and abroad have huge questions mark on the manager and are very concerned that we are about to go to 10 years with no league title. 4 years no trophies now.

We are spending more money than any other club so why is the club not succeeding?
Didn’t outsmart ole at the bridge did he
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 01:01 PM
Marvel7
 
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Di matteo comparison is lazy. Chelsea 2012 were flukey as f*** in every single stage of the tournament.

Tuchel in a few months had Chelsea tactically outwitting the champions of Spain, England and Real Madrid. There was very quickly a manager who stamped his identity and style of play on a team.
Actually the comparisons are very similar, beat a Portuguese team in the quarters, Spanish team in the semi finals and overcome a superior team in a tight final.

Out of curiosity did he only manage to stamp his identity and style of play on the Chelsea team after the FA cup final? Or are you just gonna give it up and admit my earlier point, that cups can, and will, be won or lost by luck or one good or bad performance!?
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 01:07 PM
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Good

Doesn’t mean anything with the @#%&!s running the show though

Knowing the board they’ll sell Sancho + Fernandes and replace them with David Bentley and Darren Bent and sack Ole by Christmas.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 01:14 PM
saffers
 
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Actually the comparisons are very similar, beat a Portuguese team in the quarters, Spanish team in the semi finals and overcome a superior team in a tight final.

Out of curiosity did he only manage to stamp his identity and style of play on the Chelsea team after the FA cup final? Or are you just gonna give it up and admit my earlier point, that cups can, and will, be won or lost by luck or one good or bad performance!?
They beat teams convincingly this season. In 2012 it was riddled with luck from start to finish. So not very similar.

They lost an fa cup final unluckily to Leicester due to VAR. Even in that loss you saw what kind of a team Tuchel is progressing Chelsea towards. This was proven further in the CL final against even better opposition where they did get the win.

If you look back on our final loss to Villarreal it wasnt even the loss that was the issue. It was everything else going on in the match. Those problems aren't going away.

But I understand why we had to be quick to hand him a 3 year deal instead of letting him prove himself next season after spending another fat wedge. There is after all many big clubs ready to snap up Ole if we dont give him a new deal. Very sought after manager!
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 01:21 PM
Marvel7
 
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They beat teams convincingly this season. In 2012 it was riddled with luck from start to finish. So not very similar.

They lost an fa cup final unluckily to Leicester due to VAR. Even in that loss you saw what kind of a team Tuchel is progressing Chelsea towards. This was proven further in the CL final against even better opposition where they did get the win.

If you look back on our final loss to Villarreal it wasnt even the loss that was the issue. It was everything else going on in the match. Those problems aren't going away.

But I understand why we had to be quick to hand him a 3 year deal instead of letting him prove himself next season after spending another fat wedge. There is after all many big clubs ready to snap up Ole if we dont give him a new deal. Very sought after manager!
You give the manager the 3 year deal to let him know you believe in him, you give the manager the 3 year deal to let the players know there is stability, you give the manager a 3 year deal as recognition of the progress he has made, you give the manager the 3 year deal to reduce the pressure for the season to come, you give the 3 year deal just to annoy the shit out of supposed Utd fans that refuse to get behind the manager

Oh yeah, and you wrote they lost the cup final due to VAR, so like I said, cups can be won or lost on luck, give it up you £#%&!ing weirdo.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 01:29 PM
jem
 
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My only fear is that our owners will be happy for us to be the new Arsenal and settle for that season after season.
no shit.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 01:37 PM
saffers
 
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You give the manager the 3 year deal to let him know you believe in him, you give the manager the 3 year deal to let the players know there is stability, you give the manager a 3 year deal as recognition of the progress he has made, you give the manager the 3 year deal to reduce the pressure for the season to come, you give the 3 year deal just to annoy the shit out of supposed Utd fans that refuse to get behind the manager

Oh yeah, and you wrote they lost the cup final due to VAR, so like I said, cups can be won or lost on luck, give it up you £#%&!ing weirdo.
You seem so angry for someone supposedly happy. The VAR loss for Chelsea is different to us losing on pens. We literally offered £#%&! all. It wasnt a freak loss. It was fully deserved. A fully deserved loss in the europa league final. This is what you're backing.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 01:39 PM
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You seem so angry for someone supposedly happy. The VAR loss for Chelsea is different to us losing on pens. We literally offered £#%&! all. It wasnt a freak loss. It was fully deserved. A fully deserved loss in the europa league final. This is what you're backing.
The only angry guy here is you matey. Genuinely concerned for you. PMs are open.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 02:21 PM
Whip Hubley
 
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Absolutely buzzing hope it’s ruined your week you @#%&!
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 02:41 PM
Dr Stranger
 
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You seem so angry for someone supposedly happy. The VAR loss for Chelsea is different to us losing on pens. We literally offered £#%&! all. It wasnt a freak loss. It was fully deserved. A fully deserved loss in the europa league final. This is what you're backing.
When you say ‘VAR loss’, do you mean the goal that was rightly disallowed for offside?
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 03:19 PM
Marvel7
 
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You seem so angry for someone supposedly happy. The VAR loss for Chelsea is different to us losing on pens. We literally offered f*** all. It wasnt a freak loss. It was fully deserved. A fully deserved loss in the europa league final. This is what you're backing.
Happiest guy you're ever likely not to meet.

I wasn't comparing the chelsea cup final to ours, just making the point AGAIN that cups can be won or lost by luck or or one good or bad performance, something you continue to dance around.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 03:45 PM
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BTW, Tuchel landed Chelsea a european cup after only a few months of work. Got a 2 year deal. We give a manager that couldnt beat Villarreal a 3 year deal.

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So did Roberto De Matteo. but De Matteo also won the FA cup unlike Tuchel who lost the final to Leicester.
 
Unread 24-07-2021, 03:50 PM
MUFC One Love
 
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and we’re too big for the FA cup.

Good news for Ole and you hope he is building something but the proof will be in the pudding. He’s got to win a trophy this season or he’ll be gone it’s as simple as that.

Sancho is a great buy and hopefully Varane folows but people seem to have completely forgotten about the other issues we had last season that we papered over with a second place finish. If De Gea continues where he left off we’re £#%&!ed in nets and we still don’t have a reliable striker who can guarantee us 20+ goals and we still need a decent midfielder who can control the game. We’ve basically fixed two positions that didn’t need fixing .

Apart from that I can’t wait for the season to start.
The right wing had needed fixing for years. Sancho might not always play on the right but our first 11 he does. We also desperately need a centre back if we want to challenge. If we sign Varane that sorts 2 positions we needed sorting.
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