Donny Van De Beek

Originally Posted by Knockers

Our thirteenth Dutchman. Who can name the other 12? (Soz if this has been done)

Got to 9 and had to ask the kids. They said two were still at the club. Totally forgot TFM was dutch. Where did it go wrong?

Originally Posted by shenwen

Got to 9 and had to ask the kids. They said two were still at the club. Totally forgot TFM was dutch. Where did it go wrong?

TFM looked really promising until Mourinho came in

Originally Posted by Buck

TFM looked really promising until Mourinho came in

no he didn't

tfm is fine. ignore anyone who says he isn't. if wan-b had played exactly the same game yesterday, no one would have batted an eyelid.

well, aside from remarking that he delivered a couple of good crosses, obvs.

Originally Posted by Buck

TFM looked really promising until Mourinho came in

This the same guy who wasn't good enough to get a game for fulham?

https://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235189

Originally Posted by utd99

They were Palace. Even better prepared they shouldn’t have had the quality to roll us at home. There comes a time when every supporter has to stop just making excuses for terrible terrible performances and say f*** it, just not good enough.

Match fitness and sharpness makes a huge difference at this level. I’m more concerned it was fatigue from lack of a decent break.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Or the only player not infected by the half arsed, one paced approach that runs throughout the team.

Is that how our front 3 scored 60 goals and we finished third?

"TFM looked really promising until Mourinho came in"

what are our standards these days?
not as bad as the other guy..

Originally Posted by guerreiro

RVP
VDS
Blind
Muhren
Bentder
Deepay
RVN
VDG
Chongeh

Buttner not Bentder

Genuinely felt sorry for the lad yesterday. He looked utterly crestfallen.

he must have imagined he was joining a proper football powerhouse when he signed, a well oiled machine.

Imagine how £#%&!ing disappointed he must have been to walk into our absolute £#%&!ing shambles of a pre season, play two games lose both of them with players around him shuffling about like zombies.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

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Is that how our front 3 scored 60 goals and we finished third?

Doesn't change anything. Our style of play is still (mostly) slow and one-paced, especially against shit teams that sit back. Even Bruno regressed after a while.

Originally Posted by wiganste

Buttner not Bentder

Wasn’t sure, knew I should have just said Gypo one

Originally Posted by shenwen

Doesn't change anything. Our style of play is still (mostly) slow and one-paced, especially against shit teams that sit back. Even Bruno regressed after a while.

We have a style of play?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

We have a style of play?

"Go out and try and score some goals"

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Genuinely felt sorry for the lad yesterday. He looked utterly crestfallen.

he must have imagined he was joining a proper football powerhouse when he signed, a well oiled machine.

Imagine how £#%&!ing disappointed he must have been to walk into our absolute £#%&!ing shambles of a pre season, play two games lose both of them with players around him shuffling about like zombies.

He looked hurt at the end.

Took his goal very nicely and buzzed around with limited time and confidence from those around him.

The only even slight positive.

I'd happily see him in for Pogba form here on.

All this talk of how you fit him, Pogba and Fernades, but Pogba is quickly playing his way out of the side. He was awful yet again yesterday and just cannot play that role. And if we're talking about playing him further up the pitch, then we have Fernandes and VDB for that.

What stood out again yesterday was how much we miss Matic when he isnt there. He's far from perfect, but he's the one who brings a bit of composure and intelligence in there.

It should be him, fernades and VDB from here IMO.

Pogba is simply not doing enough to justify a place anywhere on the pitch.

A Matic type signing is still a priority.

Anyone who’s decided fatigue is already an excuse, after match 1, is in for a long old season.

Originally Posted by utd99

Anyone who’s decided fatigue is already an excuse, after match 1, is in for a long old season.

Apparently it's a lack of sharpness. Give it a couple of weeks though until the fatigue arguments really come into play.

Originally Posted by utd99

Anyone who’s decided fatigue is already an excuse, after match 1, is in for a long old season.

It was there, but it is not excuse for that. It doesn't explain seeing the same problems we always see either.

Liverpool looked rusty last week too, but found a way to win. City start late too tomorrow and I'll be amazed if they turn in as abject a displays we did. It's what good teams do. Shit teams make excuses.

Originally Posted by Buck

TFM looked really promising until Mourinho came in

Originally Posted by shenwen

Apparently it's a lack of sharpness. Give it a couple of weeks though until the fatigue arguments really come into play.

Not having it. Not this season. Ole may have decided to roll the dice on CL qualification by using the same starting 11 too frequently to end last season, but if he doesn’t find a way to use the whole squad and keep them fresh this time round then it’s just bad management.