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Unread 05-12-2008, 09:17 PM
captain scarlet
 
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lets not forget that the FA are the higher management of the England national team


no idea when their next game is, but if fergie had any balls rooney, rio, wes, carrick, and g nev will all be unavailable with niggling injuries
Absolutely spot on mate.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:21 PM
captain scarlet
 
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Has there been any comment from United?

The anger this provokes is stroke inducing.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:21 PM
Rorschach
 
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£#%&!in
Atrocious
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:23 PM
borsuk
 
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£#%&!ing ridiculous, isn't it? they don't even seem to bother pretending any more.

not a new article, but some good examples

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[SIZE="5"]The FA Are Shockingly Inconsistent
Written by SCOTT THE RED

lucky, stupid, lucky...

There were many puzzled faces up and down the country after hearing Joey Barton’s lenient punishment following his brutal attack of his then City teammate, Ousmane Dabo. Essentially, he’s been given a six match ban and a £25,000 fine. He will face a further six match ban if he’s up in front of the disciplinary panel again sometime during the season. Six matches from Newcastle’s next game at the weekend will see Barton out of action for 45 days.

This got me thinking, what measuring stick do footballing authorities use when dishing out punishments?

Rio Ferdinand was informed in September 2003 that he was one of a handful of players who had been selected at random to complete a drugs test at the end of the training session. Rio left Carrington without doing the test but remembered later in the day. He returned to the training ground but he was told it was too late. The following day he went for an independent drugs test where the results came back negative.

The FA weren’t interested, banning him for eight months and fining him £50,000. In those eight months, he missed a total of twenty-one games for United as well as England matches in Euro 2004.

Are you telling me that forgetting a drugs test deserves four times the ban as beating the crap out of a team mate? Let’s not forget, with his assault on another City teammate, Jamie Tandy, where he stubbed out a cigar in his face, as well as his assaults which have lead to jail time, Barton is a repeat violent offender. Yet the FA were far softer on him than Rio.

If you think the incidents aren’t comparable in nature, then look at Christian Negouai who missed a drugs test in the same year as Ferdinand. The FA dished out no ban and a £2,000 fine.

Then there was Adrian Mutu who failed a drugs test the following year, yet the FA gave him a 7 month ban and a £25,000 fine. Of course, Mutu’s name has been in the press more recently following appeal after appeal against what he owes Chelsea in compensation, following the losses they suffered because of his ban. However, it must be noted this massive sum of money he has been ordered to pay his club has nothing to do with the FA’s punishment for the offence.

Where is the FA’s logic? If a player is guilty of an offence, then what dictates the varying punishments? Whilst I agree some action on Rio should have been taken, even though his test the following day came back clear, I can’t get my head around why his punishment was so much more severe.

It’s not just punishments for drugs test the FA are inconsistent with, though. Jeremie Aliadiere was recently sent off for raising his hand to Javier Mascherano in a Liverpool vs Middlesbrough match back in March. However, the incident was provoked by Mascherano, who first grabbed Aliadiere’s face. The Boro player responded with a petulant slap. Fine, Aliadiere had to walk for that, but why was there no punishmed for Mascherano? It was this question which lead to Middlesbrough appealing against the red card.

However, the FA were not prepared to rescind the red card, they did not deal with Mascherano’s involvement in the incident, and instead slapped another match on to the ban, meaning he would miss four games, claiming the appeal was “frivolous”.

Whilst there was no way Aliadiere could be allowed to get away with slapping an opponent across the face, Boro were simply looking for justice in the situation. If Mascherano wasn’t to be punished, then neither should their player. With red cards being appealed seemingly every week, this was one of the rare few that actually warranted an appeal.

Michael Essien is one of many players to appeal a red card, after he was sent off against Derby last season. His appeal was turned down, yet just the three match ban stood.

“Only recently Chelsea’s appeal against Michael Essien’s three-match ban was rejected but not considered frivolous,” said the chief executive, Keith Lamb. “It appears that there is one rule for the big boys and another for the rest of us.”

Another foolish decision by the FA was their reaction to Gary Neville’s injury time goal celebration against Liverpool a couple of seasons ago. He was fined £5,000 for his celebration (some £3,000 more than the City player who missed a drug’s test!) after Rio scored the winner.

“I would have been apologetic if I had run up to one of their players and tried to belittle them, but this was a celebration,” said Neville. “You are caught up in the moment and for a few seconds you go bananas. I laughed when I heard someone say it was not the behaviour of a 30-year-old because they are probably the same people who have accused us of lacking passion in recent games.”

Neville appealed the fine but the FA turned this down. “I do not think it constituted improper conduct or bringing the game into disrepute, which is why I am appealing the FA decision,” he then said. “I know people say £5,000 is nothing to a Premiership footballer, but I’d have contested the fine if it was 50p. My goal celebration against Liverpool at Old Trafford has been blown out of all proportion. To accept it would be to admit guilt and my punishment sets a bad precedent at a time when people say that there should be more interaction between players and the fans.”

Fair enough, if the FA want to punish goal celebrations, then we will have to accept that, whether Neville agrees or not. However, the FA had nothing to say about a goal celebration that took place just a weekend prior, after Robbie Fowler ensured United would lose on derby day following a last-minute goal. He celebrated directly in front of the away fans, feet away from them, holding up his five digits to represent the five European Cups of Liverpool. United fans obviously went bonkers, but maybe Fowler’s celebration, purely done with the intention of winding up the fans, wasn’t ‘improper’ enough. How do they judge it?

The topic of spitting is something which has arisen more recently, with a relatively unheard of Chelsea player, Slobodan Rajkovic, receiving a ban from the sport after he spat at a referee. The Serbian youngster, who is currently on loan with Steve McClaren’s side, FC Twente, was sent off in the Olympics in their match against Argentina. Disgusted with the decision, he wrongly spat at the ref. His punishment? A twelve month ban from all competitions.

Then we have Fabien Bathez who spat at a referee when he was playing for Marseille in 2005, after running over to the referee to confront him. He received a three month ban from the French Federation disciplinary committee.

In Australia, Dino Djulbic was sent off in the 20th minute for spitting at the referee and was handed a five match ban from Football Federation Australia.

The list goes on and on, with there being piles more examples I haven’t even touched upon. Whether it’s drug tests, spitting, goal celebrations, red card appeals, beating up a team mate, or any other wrongdoing, it seems to be hit and miss as to whether a player will be punished severely or leniently.

As the examples I’ve shown from the FA prove (and there are many others I’m sure people will be able to name), even one football governing body can’t make their minds up on punishments. How then are we supposed to find global unity?

The conclusion? For some players, spitting at a referee is worse than failing a drugs test. Some players can appeal bans, whilst others are deemed frivolous and handed a longer ban. For some players, celebrating a goal is worse than missing a drugs test.

So what does this make Joey Barton? Bloody lucky!!
http://soccerlens.com/inconsistent-fa/11699/
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:28 PM
no fun
 
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maurice £#%&!ing watkins should earn his corn on this one

whether that cockney @#%&! insulted evras ethnicity or nationality is irrelevant, evra could make a complaint to the Met, or take out a private prosecution, stating that an offence has been comitted under the Race Relations Act

dont want to come over all scouse, but enough is enough....the FA have took the £#%&!ing piss for years and its about £#%&!ing time United had a go back

if any united fans still support england after this fiasco you need £#%&!ing, you may say its nothing to do with the national team, but the £#%&!ing FA expect our players to turn out for a bunch of @#%&!s who want to put as many hurdles as possible in the way of us winning trophies
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:30 PM
The Watcher
 
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The anger this provokes is stroke inducing.
It's not what I need on a friday
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:31 PM
magic_cantona
 
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I've just seen this pile of £#%&!ing shit.

WTF is going on?! I'm not going to start the 'Imagine if it was a Liverpool player involved' stuff, I just can't.

But £#%&! me, the Rentboys get a 25grand fine?????


Staggering.Disgusting.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:33 PM
The Watcher
 
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maurice £#%&!ing watkins should earn his corn on this one
Not much chance of that, he's £#%&!ing useless.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:35 PM
Rhodzy
 
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Some interesting decisions by the FA over disciplinary matters this season.

Guthrie breaks the Hull players leg with a pre meditated deliberate act of thuggery, 3 game ban. Chris Morgan caves in Humes' skull, they hide behind the fact that he was booked stating no more action can be taken.

Evra involved in a little scuffle and it is a 4 game ban. It seems totally arbitrary.
It's a joke tbh, anyway at least Paddy won't miss the Chelsea game. On Fabio Fergie said today he's back in full training which is good timing.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:38 PM
dunk
 
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It's a joke tbh, anyway at least Paddy won't miss the Chelsea game. On Fabio Fergie said today he's back in full training which is good timing.


Could be a blessing in disguise this, getting him in the 1st team and settled and happy is important, don't want him stuck behind Evra never getting a chance, although Evra remains 1st choice, the sooner Fabio is a viable, tried and tested option, like his brother ,the better. IMO.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:41 PM
Rhodzy
 
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Could be a blessing in disguise this, getting him in the 1st team and settled and happy is important, don't want him stuck behind Evra never getting a chance, although Evra remains 1st choice, the sooner Fabio is a viable, tried and tested option, like his brother ,the better. IMO.
Was listening to 5live on Wednesday and Craig Brown was speaking to Fergie about the brothers and he said Fabio is the better one or something along those lines.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:43 PM
Whalefish
 
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RESPECT?

They can £#%&! right off.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:44 PM
Sparky***
 
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Originally Posted by borsuk
£#%&!ing ridiculous, isn't it? they don't even seem to bother pretending any more.

not a new article, but some good examples


http://soccerlens.com/inconsistent-fa/11699/
that is a fantastic article.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:48 PM
The Watcher
 
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RESPECT?

They can £#%&! right off.
We should send Neville on at the end of tomorrows game, just to @#%&! the referee

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that is a fantastic article.
Just pissed me off even more
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:48 PM
dunk
 
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Was listening to 5live on Wednesday and Craig Brown was speaking to Fergie about the brothers and he said Fabio is the better one or something along those lines.
That's been said since day 1. He is the one that was top scorer for Brazil in the U17 WC got about 7 goals as they won it, captain as well, from LB.

I believe it was Serenity who once said that he is Brazil's playmaker at U17 level, from LB

There were whispers at the beginning that Rafael probably wouldn't make it over here and was just bought on the off chance and to keep his brother company, I can't remember who was saying it, but if the have under-estimated Fabio as the did Rafael, well, £#%&!ing hell.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:50 PM
Smeggs
 
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i'm not shocked. they hate us, always have, always will.

We are the anti-FA club, the anti-ingurlund club. They hate every goal we score and every trophy we win.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:52 PM
Ether
 
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That's been said since day 1. He is the one that was top scorer for Brazil in the U17 WC got about 7 goals as they won it, captain as well, from LB.

I believe it was Serenity who once said that he is Brazil's playmaker at U17 level, from LB

There were whispers at the beginning that Rafael probably wouldn't make it over here and was just bought on the off chance and to keep his brother company, I can't remember who was saying it, but if the have under-estimated Fabio as the did Rafael, well, £#%&!ing hell.
It's worth remembering though that Phil Neville was always supposed to be the better of the Neville brothers. You can never really tell.
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:54 PM
thrills_pills_bellyaches
 
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It's worth remembering though that Phil Neville was always supposed to be the better of the Neville brothers. You can never really tell.
he was for a couple of years
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:57 PM
ScarFace
 
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ffs his stats on fifa are gunna drop
 
Unread 05-12-2008, 09:58 PM
dunk
 
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It's worth remembering though that Phil Neville was always supposed to be the better of the Neville brothers. You can never really tell.
He possibly was, unfortunately, he had to try and shift Denis Irwin and ended getting £#%&!ed about for a position when he was young, which can't have helped.

Similarly, Fabio has to try ad shift Patrice, now there's a £#%&!ing task...
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