United withdraw from Super League

If the Saudi's don't buy us then the reality is that we will be permanently disadvantaged and will struggle to attract the best players.

It's all very well claiming we're above being owned by oil money but it's that or permanent irrelevance in competitive terms.

Originally Posted by tatty

If the Saudi's don't buy us then the reality is that we will be permanently disadvantaged and will struggle to attract the best players.

It's all very well claiming we're above being owned by oil money but it's that or permanent irrelevance in competitive terms.

Nah, United have the budget to compete, no problem, it's just been managed and used poorly for 10 years. We appear to be sorting it out, slowly but surely..

Probably the diluted version of legislation that could have ousted the Glazers once and for all will be some sort of social charter that every owner will have to sign that limits their power and protects the institution.

Shame, it had the potential to go much further.

The Glazers have taken out the club more than any other owner. Any new cash coming in from the ESL would have just gone in their pocket. Not needing to finish 4th would have meant maybe even less money for transfers.

We are doomed until we have new owners. Id take Ashley over them

Originally Posted by ScarFace

The Glazers have taken out the club more than any other owner. Any new cash coming in from the ESL would have just gone in their pocket. Not needing to finish 4th would have meant maybe even less money for transfers.

We are doomed until we have new owners. Id take Ashley over them

"i say i'd take ashley over them!"

Originally Posted by tatty

If the Saudi's don't buy us then the reality is that we will be permanently disadvantaged and will struggle to attract the best players.

It's all very well claiming we're above being owned by oil money but it's that or permanent irrelevance in competitive terms.

nope. needs a change in ownership regs to keep out all carpetbaggers and sportswashers. move to something like the german model and then the money stays in football (and external forces can't distort the market).

Originally Posted by jem

nope. needs a change in ownership regs to keep out all carpetbaggers and sportswashers. move to something like the german model and then the money stays in football (and external forces can't distort the market).

a bit too late for that type of drastic change just given the size of clubs like chelsea, city, arsenal, liverpool and United

Originally Posted by jem

nope. needs a change in ownership regs to keep out all carpetbaggers and sportswashers. move to something like the german model and then the money stays in football (and external forces can't distort the market).

I agree and if you were designing a framework for club ownership the German model would be perfect.

Unfortunately that ship has sailed and if we want to compete with the top clubs long-term then we're going to have to hold our noses when it comes to buyers.

Originally Posted by Vida_15

a bit too late for that type of drastic change just given the size of clubs like chelsea, city, arsenal, liverpool and United

We should at least try to prevent the next gen of shit owners though.

This affects plenty of clubs further down the leagues too, probably more so

Originally Posted by triple sod

We should at least try to prevent the next gen of shit owners though.

This affects plenty of clubs further down the leagues too, probably more so

agreed but that comes with regulations set in place and who's going to do it and how would it work when these clubs are worth billions of pounds thus limiting who can own them

Originally Posted by Vida_15

a bit too late for that type of drastic change just given the size of clubs like chelsea, city, arsenal, liverpool and United

Originally Posted by Vida_15

agreed but that comes with regulations set in place and who's going to do it and how would it work when these clubs are worth billions of pounds thus limiting who can own them

again, your lack of imagination and determination is pathetic.

the premier league already has a fit and proper regime. strengthen it and enforce it. or adopt a german model.

football has governing bodies. they need to be swept clean of corruption and they need to govern.

the value of the clubs does not limit who can own them. it limits who can buy them under the current system. and that is a completely different thing. the value of the club is what fans are prepared to pay for streaming, scarves and the irl old trafford theatre of dreams experience. it should not be how much blood owners can squeeze out. nor should football's finances be distorted by rogue state blood money.

you need to think bigger. or just think. you've got to start somewhere.

Guaranteed the glazers won’t spend a penny this summer

jem you need to stop living in a fantasy world where everything is simple and turns up roses whenever you get a whim

live in reality where we are dealing with multi billion pound football clubs that you can't just one day change the rules of engagement for your benefit

just because you want something to happen in your little rose colored world doesn't hold water as evident by the backlash the ESL received from everyone when they tried to make a dramatic change and use their imaginations albeit in a very greedy manner

this isn't about imagination or determination....it's about the real state of affairs that English clubs but more so TV rights have created that has turned these clubs into businesses more so than football clubs

Originally Posted by Vedder

Guaranteed the glazers won’t spend a penny this summer

oh no doubt. We'll be punished for ruining their plans.

Originally Posted by Vida_15

jem you need to stop living in a fantasy world where everything is simple and turns up roses whenever you get a whim

live in reality where we are dealing with multi billion pound football clubs that you can't just one day change the rules of engagement for your benefit

just because you want something to happen in your little rose colored world doesn't hold water as evident by the backlash the ESL received from everyone when they tried to make a dramatic change and use their imaginations albeit in a very greedy manner

this isn't about imagination or determination....it's about the real state of affairs that English clubs but more so TV rights have created that has turned these clubs into businesses more so than football clubs

you live in a world where your lack of imagination or determination doesn't allow you to affect anything.

the example of the backlash against the esl is actually completely undermining your argument, but you are too stupid to see it. players, fans, governments and governing bodies can do something. there is a government-led review of football's ownership structure in process, for what it's likely to be worth, but there is plenty more than can be done.

the owners cannot simply do what they like. no matter how small you think your dick is.

ahhh...the old personal attack when you can't put together a logical argument, very impressive.

you're too thick to understand that we are well past the point of having a german type of structure for clubs due to the sheer amount of money involved with these clubs, the owners, the tv rights, the commercialism.

Can restrictions be put in place for future sales? absolutely but that itself will restrict who can purchase these clubs and isn't the entire point of this to get these current owners to sell??


Fans can protest, fans can march, fans can try to boycott but at the end of the day you're still going to see a full Old Trafford next fall because fans love football. The thing now is that these owners have gone a full year without game day revenue and are still surviving except for places like in germany who rely on game day sales to help fund the club unlike these big english clubs.

so now instead we move to the government....so you would prefer the government step in and put down rules and regulations? Guess you're now advocating for a communist type of government controlled system. Maybe you should go support Chelsea if that is the case.

Is German ownership that perfect or do we keep bemoaning Bayern just hoovering up whichever Bundesliga player they want?

Originally Posted by Vida_15

ahhh...the old personal attack when you can't put together a logical argument, very impressive.

you're too thick to understand that we are well past the point of having a german type of structure for clubs due to the sheer amount of money involved with these clubs, the owners, the tv rights, the commercialism.

Can restrictions be put in place for future sales? absolutely but that itself will restrict who can purchase these clubs and isn't the entire point of this to get these current owners to sell??


Fans can protest, fans can march, fans can try to boycott but at the end of the day you're still going to see a full Old Trafford next fall because fans love football. The thing now is that these owners have gone a full year without game day revenue and are still surviving except for places like in germany who rely on game day sales to help fund the club unlike these big english clubs.

so now instead we move to the government....so you would prefer the government step in and put down rules and regulations? Guess you're now advocating for a communist type of government controlled system. Maybe you should go support Chelsea if that is the case.

so... "jem you need to stop living in a fantasy world where everything is simple and turns up roses whenever you get a whim" wasn't a personal attack, but was a coherent argument?

£#%&! off, you idiot. we are not past anything. although I'm done with you, if that counts.

take your negative weaselsome £#%&!wittery somewhere else.

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

Is German ownership that perfect or do we keep bemoaning Bayern just hoovering up whichever Bundesliga player they want?

That isn’t due to a flaw in the ownership model.

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

That isn’t due to a flaw in the ownership model.

More of the status quo that we could expect as us being the biggest club again?