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Unread 26-03-2013, 09:12 PM
Bunker Buster
 
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Quayd laying down truth bombs from the other Side of the globe...
 
Unread 26-03-2013, 11:03 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Shocking performance & a scandalous decision from Fergie to pick him.
He'd been out injured for months in advance iirc
Fergie places too much stock in good luck charms & omens these days. Park was in no fit state to start a Title decider like that:shakehead:
Yep. Remains one of the most baffling decisions Fergie has made in recent years. A disaster of a call.

Very hard to dislike Park. But in many ways he was the individual equivalent of negative football. Full of hard work and at times very effective at doing the job required, but you really wished for something a little more exciting and aesthetically pleasing, given that he was often playing in attacking positions. He really was a symbol of United's shift towards an even more conservative approach in Europe.
 
Unread 26-03-2013, 11:16 PM
tatty
 
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A poor man's Quinton Fortune.
 
Unread 26-03-2013, 11:28 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Yep. Remains one of the most baffling decisions Fergie has made in recent years. A disaster of a call.

Very hard to dislike Park. But in many ways he was the individual equivalent of negative football. Full of hard work and at times very effective at doing the job required, but you really wished for something a little more exciting and aesthetically pleasing, given that he was often playing in attacking positions. He really was a symbol of United's shift towards an even more conservative approach in Europe.
Which was amazingly successful for a period of about 4-5 years. Don't knock it too much
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 12:17 AM
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"Actually it kind of supports the theory regardless of his selection we weren't going to win the game as the whole team were clueless."

Try again
So, the team 'weren't going to win' anyway, so picking a player who'd been out injured for six weeks didn't matter. Righty ho.
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 01:02 AM
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So, the team 'weren't going to win' anyway, so picking a player who'd been out injured for six weeks didn't matter. Righty ho.
Yea that's exactly what I said pal
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 01:08 AM
S/Side.Red
 
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Which was amazingly successful for a period of about 4-5 years. Don't knock it too much
Well, we won it once. And he wasn't involved much that year, iirc
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 01:19 AM
Zorg
 
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Yea that's exactly what I said pal
Well, you implied that the fact the team didn't manage a shot on goal that night probably meant they wouldn't have won the game anyway, 'regardless of his selection'.

You don't think it's more likely that the team selection (including the rusty Park) contributed to the poor performance?
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 02:58 AM
Chris Quayd
 
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Well, you implied that the fact the team didn't manage a shot on goal that night probably meant they wouldn't have won the game anyway, 'regardless of his selection'.

You don't think it's more likely that the team selection (including the rusty Park) contributed to the poor performance?
Of course he contributed to the poor performance of the team but he doesn't account for the other 9 outfied players being utter garbage.

Fergie has countless times thrown injured players straight back in for big games and sometimes it's worked and sometimes not. But Park or no Park we were losing that game and he was no worse than the rest of them so I don't see why he is always singled out based on that performance.

As you say he was just back from an injury, surely less reason to single out his performance seeing as there were equally bad non-injured players out there?
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 05:53 AM
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scored some big goals, turned up in some huge games.

He was a successful signing nqat
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 07:26 AM
Zorg
 
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Of course he contributed to the poor performance of the team but he doesn't account for the other 9 outfied players being utter garbage.

Fergie has countless times thrown injured players straight back in for big games and sometimes it's worked and sometimes not. But Park or no Park we were losing that game and he was no worse than the rest of them so I don't see why he is always singled out based on that performance.

As you say he was just back from an injury, surely less reason to single out his performance seeing as there were equally bad non-injured players out there?
He's 'singled out' because he's the only one who was picked for such a big game after a long injury lay-off. But as far as I can see even people who never liked Park are simply saying it was obvious he shouldn't have been picked - not that the defeat was his fault or that he was any worse than anyone else. Other players got plenty of stick that night, Jones especially. And rightly so, they were £#%&!ing awful too.

But Park is the only one who had just been out for ages, clearly wasn't fresh and clearly wasn't ready for a title deciding game. So when people point out it was a bad decision to include him they're not trying to be 'sages'. It was blindingly obvious he shouldn't have played and the selection, tactics and formation were all terrible. Park playing was just a part of that, but a part that's likely to be mentioned on a thread all about him. As you said, 'sometimes it's worked and sometimes not' - yes, that night it didn't.
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 12:42 PM
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The list of people on this thread who didn't rate him is to his credit.

Excellent player when in the right system. Fully merited his place in the 2009 CL final team, even if he probably should have been on the bench.
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 12:43 PM
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He's 'singled out' because he's the only one who was picked for such a big game after a long injury lay-off. But as far as I can see even people who never liked Park are simply saying it was obvious he shouldn't have been picked - not that the defeat was his fault or that he was any worse than anyone else. Other players got plenty of stick that night, Jones especially. And rightly so, they were £#%&!ing awful too.

But Park is the only one who had just been out for ages, clearly wasn't fresh and clearly wasn't ready for a title deciding game. So when people point out it was a bad decision to include him they're not trying to be 'sages'. It was blindingly obvious he shouldn't have played and the selection, tactics and formation were all terrible. Park playing was just a part of that, but a part that's likely to be mentioned on a thread all about him. As you said, 'sometimes it's worked and sometimes not' - yes, that night it didn't.
all fair and true, and yes Fergie has often pulled similar strokes down the years and got away with it.

another famous time when he didn't get away with it was at Anfield in 1992 when he sent Robson and Ince out on crutches
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 03:52 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Well, we won it once. And he wasn't involved much that year, iirc
Our record in that period was second only to that of a Barca team widely regarded as one of the best there has ever been.

But for them.......
 
Unread 27-03-2013, 05:12 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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Our record in that period was second only to that of a Barca team widely regarded as one of the best there has ever been.

But for them.......
Oh no doubt, I'm just not sure how much of it was down to Park
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