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Unread 01-08-2020, 04:07 PM
Neo
 
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The best place when comparing the UKís virus response to other countries is definitely Vietnam, heís right. And then Cuba. Ffs.
He justifies the reasons for the comparisons though, which are fair and reasonable IMO. Vietnam has a population that is 1/3 bigger than the UK, and Japan, another country he uses as a comparison, has a population that is double that of the UK. Both are also in much closer proximity to China, where the virus originated, and both had outbreaks before the UK.

To me it's quite clear that there is a way to tackle this virus, but it's not been a strategy compatible with the West, as the West has been too preoccupied with the dangerous balancing act of 'living with the virus' and keeping the economy going.

The idea of 'living with the virus' is wrong, and will do far more harm than good. The approach should have been eradication of the virus from the start, like we've seen in all countries that have had tiny numbers of cases and deaths.

I also think he's right about the point of exceptionalism, particularly in the UK and the US, where there was clearly an attitude in the early part of the year that "this would never happen to us".
 
Unread 01-08-2020, 04:17 PM
Ethers
 
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Come on Neo, itís absolutely fair to criticise the UKís response, but if you genuinely think the best place to start in terms of a comparison is with Vietnam and Cuba then you need to go and have a lie down.
 
Unread 01-08-2020, 04:43 PM
Bunker Buster
 
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You can't eradicate the virus.....
 
Unread 01-08-2020, 05:12 PM
Neo
 
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Come on Neo, itís absolutely fair to criticise the UKís response, but if you genuinely think the best place to start in terms of a comparison is with Vietnam and Cuba then you need to go and have a lie down.
I think it's more a comparison of how the West have responded compared to the East. The likes of the UK, France, Italy, Spain, as well as the USA, compared to places like Singapore, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, and even China.

There's multiple factors that have caused the drastic differences in results, but some of those factors are fair comparisons IMO. Quarantines, face masks, enforced social distancing, high levels of competent early testing and tracing - these things have been handled significantly differently by certain parts of the West compared to certain parts of the East.

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You can't eradicate the virus.....
Agreed, and even with a really effective vaccine, there won't be complete eradication. My point is more about the mindset and approach - even outside of Eastern Asia, there have been countries that have adopted the approach of suppressing the case numbers down to a level of virtual eradication. New Zealand and Scotland are great examples of this, and both leaders of those countries have given clear messaging, which has centred around wanting to eliminate the virus as much as possible.

The rhetoric from those countries where case numbers have exploded, and second waves are emerging, has been a weak-willed acceptance that the virus is here to stay, and we just need to put up with it. It's the wrong approach IMO.
 
Unread 01-08-2020, 05:16 PM
Ethers
 
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That video is not a comparison of West and East, itís focused almost entirely on the U.K., in particular the Tory government, with a bit of the US thrown in. We all know Bastaniís game, and he has no interest in a genuine comparison of approaches, which is why heís used completely unsuitable examples.
 
Unread 01-08-2020, 05:36 PM
rubbernecker
 
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Come on Neo, itís absolutely fair to criticise the UKís response, but if you genuinely think the best place to start in terms of a comparison is with Vietnam and Cuba then you need to go and have a lie down.
Comparing the death rates of those countries with the lowest death rates with those with the highest and then trying to work out what could have caused those massive disparities

Outrageous
 
Unread 01-08-2020, 06:59 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Even if it's a lie maybe they are right to carry on as normal?
Ah, but you see its a desert country and currently has this "dust" - this terrible dust that means people have to wear masks and stay away from each other as much as possible.

But yes, they have banned the virus.
 
Unread 01-08-2020, 10:00 PM
Ethers
 
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Comparing the death rates of those countries with the lowest death rates with those with the highest and then trying to work out what could have caused those massive disparities

Outrageous
I wouldnít expect you to be a fan of the scientific approach, East Good/West Bad is just up your street Iím sure.

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Scholesy and fam not giving a f***, big house party for his lad up there tonight
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/12289...birthday-bash/
 
Unread 01-08-2020, 11:13 PM
red in cumbria
 
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Now being suggested by "government sources" (ie D Cummings) that all over-50s might have to be "sheltered" if infections take off again.

f***. That.
 
Unread 02-08-2020, 01:01 AM
Why Don?
 
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Iíve avoided my mateís birthday party today. Just canít take the risk.
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