Getting into the CL back the back door.

Apologies if this has been already posted, i did have a look but couldn't see it.

UEFA seem highly likely to approve a change to the CL that will allow entry to 2 clubs that have failed to qualify for the CL, based on their 'historical performance' in the competition.
The current list of most past wins is:

1. Real Madrid 13
2. Milan 7
3. Bayern Munich 5
4. Liverpool 5
5. Barcelona 5
6. Ajax 4
7. Internazionale 3
8. Manchester United 3

(Just below are Juve, Benfica, Notts Forest & Porto - all on 2 wins).

Spain - Top 4 qualify for the CL.
Italy - Same.
England - Same.
German - Same.
Dutch - Top 2 (2nd goes into qual. rounds).

It's over 20 yrs or more since Real or Barca finished outside of the top 4. Nearer 30 for Bayern. Over a decade since Ajax finished lower than 2nd.

So that leave the 2 Italian teams, the Liverpool & us. Liverpool are pretty much guaranteed eternal CL qualification. The Italian teams have had poor league form recently - 3 times in the past 10 years, neither team has finished in the top 4.
Even with the 2 Milan teams being inconsistent, it would still seem that United will be pretty certain of CL qualification every season (in the near future at least), regardless of where we finish.

Which means that once these changes are confirmed, there is even less incentive for the Glaser parasites to do anything serious about investing in the team. Just a never-ending cycle of mediocre managers for 2-3 yrs, the odd big name signing & the money continuing to be siphoned out of the club.

Originally Posted by Fat Al

Apologies if this has been already posted, i did have a look but couldn't see it.

UEFA seem highly likely to approve a change to the CL that will allow entry to 2 clubs that have failed to qualify for the CL, based on their 'historical performance' in the competition.
The current list of most past wins is:

1. Real Madrid 13
2. Milan 7
3. Bayern Munich 5
4. Liverpool 5
5. Barcelona 5
6. Ajax 4
7. Internazionale 3
8. Manchester United 3

(Just below are Juve, Benfica, Notts Forest & Porto - all on 2 wins).

Spain - Top 4 qualify for the CL.
Italy - Same.
England - Same.
German - Same.
Dutch - Top 2 (2nd goes into qual. rounds).

It's over 20 yrs or more since Real or Barca finished outside of the top 4. Nearer 30 for Bayern. Over a decade since Ajax finished lower than 2nd.

So that leave the 2 Italian teams, the Liverpool & us. Liverpool are pretty much guaranteed eternal CL qualification. The Italian teams have had poor league form recently - 3 times in the past 10 years, neither team has finished in the top 4.
Even with the 2 Milan teams being inconsistent, it would still seem that United will be pretty certain of CL qualification every season (in the near future at least), regardless of where we finish.

Which means that once these changes are confirmed, there is even less incentive for the Glaser parasites to do anything serious about investing in the team. Just a never-ending cycle of mediocre managers for 2-3 yrs, the odd big name signing & the money continuing to be siphoned out of the club.

You should have just posted the coefficient list, as that's what it will go off.

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassocia...club/#/yr/2022

https://twitter.com/Jesanchez3/status/1510895711734439937

Originally Posted by Coracao

You should have just posted the coefficient list, as that's what it will go off.

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassocia...club/#/yr/2022

You sure they’re not going to take into account competition wins from the previous millennium?

Looking at the co-efficient table, Ole getting us to that Europa Final could actually come in quite handy…..

Originally Posted by Ethers

You sure they’re not going to take into account competition wins from the previous millennium?

Looking at the co-efficient table, Ole getting us to that Europa Final could actually come in quite handy…..

Rumours are that Bunks was getting his boots prepped due to the Royal Engineers winning the FA Cup in 1875.

Originally Posted by Coracao

You should have just posted the coefficient list, as that's what it will go off.

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassocia...club/#/yr/2022

That list is surely utter %@#$&!s tho?

AC Milan in 43rd place. Rangers in 38th.
7 time winners lower placed than a team who has done the square root of precisely £#%&! in all in Europe?

If we're not good enough to be in next year's champions league then we shouldn't be in it just because we didn't used to be shit

Originally Posted by Fat Al

That list is surely utter %@#$&!s tho?

AC Milan in 43rd place. Rangers in 38th.
7 time winners lower placed than a team who has done the square root of precisely £#%&! in all in Europe?

Why would it be %@#$&!s? Rangers have done relatively OK in the Europa League last couple of years, and they have qualified for Europe every year. Milan have been piss poor and not qualified every year.

Should Forest be ranked above City ?

Originally Posted by red red robbo

If we're not good enough to be in next year's champions league then we shouldn't be in it just because we didn't used to be shit

We won't be in it if we're not to 4. This new rule 2 isn't until 2024.

Originally Posted by armchair

https://twitter.com/Jesanchez3/statu...95711734439937

Luis Enrique is obsessed with us.

Stupid Scouse #@&%!.

Originally Posted by windy waffles

luis enrique is obsessed with us.

Stupid scouse #@&%!.

ffs

I presume they'll use the Ten-year club coefficients

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassocia...ings/tenyears/

Originally Posted by Coracao

Why would it be %@#$&!s? Rangers have done relatively OK in the Europa League last couple of years, and they have qualified for Europe every year. Milan have been piss poor and not qualified every year.

Should Forest be ranked above City and Juve?

I could manage Rangers & get them into Europe every season.
Juve would be ahead of Forest as Juve have been runners-up 7 times.


And yes rank Forest higher than City. Cos £#%&! City.

we are aristocrats of europe, we should have a place at the top table

shame we are bobbins

Originally Posted by Coracao

ffs

Luis, Jose....whatever

Originally Posted by Lok

We won't be in it if we're not to 4. This new rule 2 isn't until 2024.

It was a general rule to be applied EVERY year

Originally Posted by Coracao

Should Forest be ranked above City ?

yes please

Originally Posted by armchair

I presume they'll use the Ten-year club coefficients

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassocia...ings/tenyears/

Nope it's the 5 year ones posted earlier. And you still have to finish high enough domestically to have got into the Europa League or Europa Conference. And how will the 5 year coefficients look by 2024?

From the UEFA website:

The final two places will go to the clubs with the highest club coefficient over the last five years that have not qualified for the Champions League group stage but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase, the Europa League or the Europa Conference League.

Originally Posted by avocado

And how will the 5 year coefficients look by 2024?

Looks like we get a leg-up if other English teams do OK - sure that will please our neighbours:

Clubs' coefficients are determined EITHER the sum of all points won in the previous five years OR the association coefficient over the same period, whichever is the higher.

The season coefficient of an association is calculated by adding up the points obtained by all its clubs in a given season in the UEFA Champions League (UCL), UEFA Europa League (UEL) and UEFA Europa Conference League (UECL) then dividing the total by the number of clubs from that association that took part in the three UEFA club competitions in question.

Originally Posted by avocado

Nope it's the 5 year ones posted earlier. And you still have to finish high enough domestically to have got into the Europa League or Europa Conference. And how will the 5 year coefficients look by 2024?

From the UEFA website:

The final two places will go to the clubs with the highest club coefficient over the last five years that have not qualified for the Champions League group stage but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase, the Europa League or the Europa Conference League.



Looks like we get a leg-up if other English teams do OK - sure that will please our neighbours:

Clubs' coefficients are determined EITHER the sum of all points won in the previous five years OR the association coefficient over the same period, whichever is the higher.

The season coefficient of an association is calculated by adding up the points obtained by all its clubs in a given season in the UEFA Champions League (UCL), UEFA Europa League (UEL) and UEFA Europa Conference League (UECL) then dividing the total by the number of clubs from that association that took part in the three UEFA club competitions in question.

Why don't they drop the pretence and just rank teams by the amount the TV rights sell for in their country? That's what it's really about.