The myth of Pep Fraudiola

Originally Posted by Ethers

Our manager was terrified of Sevilla tbf.....

Fair point

Originally Posted by saffers

You always on my dick aren't you.

Worthless piece of shit. My biggest fan.



Exactly.

What has he done of note since Barca?

Will he ever win the cl without messi?

I thought you were never going to call anyone names again?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

They haven't spent over a billion quid in 9 years to win the premier league and league cup. They've spent it to be the best team in europe and have failed miserably.

The objective has only ever been to improve the global perception of the medevially backward and brutal abu dhabi regime. Same as for PSG. Football is just a vehicle for advertising. I'm sure they will always want to be the top of the tree but so long as they are on telly and on all formats of media round the world, round the clock, every day of the bloody year, in conjunction with phrases like 'fabulous', 'beautiful', 'best ever team' etc, they'll be quite happy.

Originally Posted by saffers

Messi made him famous.

Achieved nowt of note since leaving Barca. The dumbest forum member on here could win bundesliga and the german cup with bayern. Winning the Prem with crazily funded city? Conte did it in his first year while Pep was getting slapped 4-0 by bloody everton. Leicester won it the year before.

No shots on target tonight against Lovren and co.

Is this the most overrated manager in the history of the game?

You really think Koppas could succeed in Germany?

Originally Posted by Curtis

The objective has only ever been to improve the global perception of the medevially backward and brutal abu dhabi regime. Same as for PSG. Football is just a vehicle for advertising. I'm sure they will always want to be the top of the tree but so long as they are on telly and on all formats of media round the world, round the clock, every day of the bloody year, in conjunction with phrases like 'fabulous', 'beautiful', 'best ever team' etc, they'll be quite happy.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by silv

About to walk the PL

United or city should be walking this league every year. And both of us will be doing just that soon enough. Even this shit united team is second.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Will be interesting to see if he starts to adjust for this stage of the CL. The way he sets up from week to week seems to draw consistency but in these crunch knockout games with the added tension it perhaps requires too much perfection from the players.

At places like Anfield players will make mistakes, as City players did tonight. Maybe the system is just too open to allow for that.

He's clearly not a fraud, but there's no reason for our manager to be so terrified of him.

Mourinho took on his Barca team and sent him loopy. He’s not terrified of him, but he probably does think guardiola has the better team and there’s a few weaknesses that need addressing in his own. Our players shit the bed against the high press, always have done.

Always suspected City might struggle in the CL as soon as they were challenged, because they have so rarely been challenged all season.

They are comfortably the best team in the league, but the gap is flattering. It's a reflection of winning key games, key moments and then the knock on effect of momentum and the confidence a gap brings.

We saw it with Chelsea the year before too. As soon as they got a big lead, that was it. The gap grew and grew. They obviously weren't/aren't that much better because they're going to finish 5th this season.

City will not have it all their own way next season and last night proved just how vulnerable they actually are. Liverpool didn't have to do anything they don't normally do and they were 3 up inside half an hour.

Every city big hitters disappeared last night. For all the relentless fawning over them, they are yet to prove anything more than the fact our league is there for the taking by any team who can grow in confidence and get the wind behind them.

The talk of just how good this city side is has been ridiculously. Great sides are adaptable and grind it out when they need to. City looked utterly baffled by what to do last night and didn't rise to the challenge all night. They shrank. Great sides don't shrink.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

United or city should be walking this league every year. And both of us will be doing just that soon enough. Even this shit united team is second.



Mourinho took on his Barca team and sent him loopy. He’s not terrified of him, but he probably does think guardiola has the better team and there’s a few weaknesses that need addressing in his own. Our players shit the bed against the high press, always have done.

With two wins from the 11 games they played in Spain?

Our manager bounded down the corridor at Old Trafford to tell City to keep the celebrations down last time they met, pal. Loopy indeed.

Mou hates facing Guardiola. I suspect Klopp hates facing Mou. Guardiola deffo hates facing Klopp.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

With two wins from the 11 games they played in Spain?

Our manager bounded down the corridor at Old Trafford to tell City to keep the celebrations down last time they met, pal. Loopy indeed.

Mou hates facing Guardiola. I suspect Klopp hates facing Mou. Guardiola deffo hates facing Klopp.

Jose won that league title and got the Ronaldo sssshh win in the Nou Camp, but his record isn't good other than that.

Both him and Guardiola are sour little bitches when they lose, so each one is gonna look 'owned' when they do.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

United or city should be walking this league every year. And both of us will be doing just that soon enough. Even this shit united team is second.

The depressing state of modern European football summed up.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

With two wins from the 11 games they played in Spain?

Our manager bounded down the corridor at Old Trafford to tell City to keep the celebrations down last time they met, pal. Loopy indeed.

Mou hates facing Guardiola. I suspect Klopp hates facing Mou. Guardiola deffo hates facing Klopp.

Someone said Rock Scissors Paper earlier. It's not too far off

Berts are rock (oil), we're paper (money), verm are scissors (violence)

To the Fraudiola fan club on here, a question from Mr Dunphy:

"This is the question that remains unanswered about Guardiola – can he win it without Messi, Xavi and Iniesta?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018...nce-guardiola/

If he can't do it with super teams at bayern and city who have the league won by easter. Where can he do it?

Originally Posted by Throw

You really think Koppas could succeed in Germany?

plenty of turks have done alright for themselves in germany, tbf.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

With two wins from the 11 games they played in Spain?

Our manager bounded down the corridor at Old Trafford to tell City to keep the celebrations down last time they met, pal. Loopy indeed.

Mou hates facing Guardiola. I suspect Klopp hates facing Mou. Guardiola deffo hates facing Klopp.

Two wins that got a cup and a league title(where they broke all sorts of record).

Truth is Mou made Madrid a big club again and he killed Barca's cloak of invincibility. Guardiola went on a "sabbatical" after being humiliated by Mou.

Good stuff from big dunc in the arab news:

Who were the last team to win the CL without Ronaldo or Messi? I can’t £#%&!ing remember . Munich at Wembley?

Just checked, 7 of the last 10 CL’s have gone to teams containing Ronaldo or Messi

Pair of awesome £#%&!ing bastards.

Should probably be getting a team ready for when the pair of them retire

Originally Posted by dunk

Who were the last team to win the CL without Ronaldo or Messi? I can’t £#%&!ing remember . Munich at Wembley?

Just checked, 7 of the last 10 CL’s have gone to teams containing Ronaldo or Messi

Pair of awesome £#%&!ing bastards.

Should probably be getting a team ready for when the pair of them retire

This is correct. It’s all about the players. Managers are overrated.

Originally Posted by saffers

Two wins that got a cup and a league title(where they broke all sorts of record).

Truth is Mou made Madrid a big club again and he killed Barca's cloak of invincibility. Guardiola went on a "sabbatical" after being humiliated by Mou.

Good stuff from big dunc in the arab news:

Unsurprisingly he's clueless about Bayern. Heynckes' Bayern played possession football. Neuer as a sweeper; CBs marking high; Alaba and Lahm deployed well up the field; Martinez, Schweini and Kroos controlling the ball. It was building on what LvG had implemented and certainly didn't require an overhaul.

The difference - and it ties in with the discussion about Guardiola last night - is that Heynckess is prepared to adapt it for the biggest games in the Champions League. They dominated the ball at Sevilla, but if they played City they could, as they did against Barcelona in 2013, switch to a counter-attacking style.

But 95% of Heynckes' Bayern were a continuation of the Dutch school ideas implemented in 2010. Dunc needs to do some homework.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

With two wins from the 11 games they played in Spain?

Did he beat the greatest team ever, ever, to a league title?

Originally Posted by Tiberian

The depressing state of modern European football summed up.

Shit innit. Even the champions league is boring as £#%&!. Processional group stages with no tension in any game, because you can lose 3 games and still go through, followed by the same 3 teams making the semis every year.

Originally Posted by utd99

This is correct. It’s all about the players. Managers are overrated.

True. Managers manage people on an individual and group level. That’s it. That’s why the likes of souness and hoddle weren’t great managers. They were shit at managing people. Fergie, busby, stein, shankly etc were expert people managers with an eye on the big picture.

Their coaches also set out a framework for that group to function within when playing, in accordance to the manager’s general instruction.

Van gaal was supposedly a shit people manager but a brilliant coach. Which is why he had his best success at Ajax, having come through their system as a coach. But struggled more when managing at other clubs.

[quote=jem;4922736]nor would I.

sorry.... we've had latter years fergie, moyes, king louis and £#%&!ing mourinho... and somehow its my attitude that is wrong? fergie was a @#%&!, but he was a good manager. never particularly rated him as a coach. did anyone?

I am sure Fergie cries himself to sleep at night, knowing that Weasel Jem from UTD forum does not rate him as a coach.. I guess he just has to consoul himself with the 38 trophies he won at Utd and the rest in Scotland...

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Did he beat the greatest team ever, ever, to a league title?

Not really. By that time they'd declined a bit, hence Chelsea knocking them out of the Champions League.

At their peak they beat Real 5-0 at Camp Nou.