Poch watch 2018/19

Originally Posted by Baron

Literally the worst comparison you could have made.

You're trying to compare a man who spent years at Barcelona playing for Cryuff, who in turn shaped that entire club to play a certain way. Pep then returned to learn about all of that in their academy, continuing a specific style...

Oh £#%&! it, what is the point.

If Ole had only spent 11 years under one manager learning the values of the club and a style of play that has led him to where he is now.

What could have been.

Originally Posted by Baron

Literally the worst comparison you could have made.

You're trying to compare a man who spent years at Barcelona playing for Cryuff, who in turn shaped that entire club to play a certain way. Pep then returned to learn about all of that in their academy, continuing a specific style...

Oh £#%&! it, what is the point.

Originally Posted by Jack Duckworth

ole under fergie and continued the style at molde...

Indeed. It's not a bad comparison tbf. Obviously Ole couldn't completely mirror the path as our 'B' team isn't at league level, Molde probably isn't a bad substitute. He worked under Fergie with the youth (including a few that are currently first team) and implemented the same style at a lower level successfully

Originally Posted by Jack Duckworth

ole under fergie and continued the style at molde...

Not comparable to the Pep example. Ole continued which of Fergie's styles? All of them? We didn't just play 4-4-2. Barca is steeped in 4-3-3 & tiki-taka from youth to 1st team, a blueprint from Cryuff to Barcelona. It's why Pep just continued from there for that club. He's moved on a bit himself since, but for day 1 - he knew everything about the tactics, the same way Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Messi etc did.

Conflating Pep with Ole due to lack of experience is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Jethro

If Ole had only spent 11 years under one manager learning the values of the club and a style of play that has led him to where he is now.

What could have been.

if only i'd written the exact same thing in the post above yours...

Originally Posted by Baron

Literally the worst comparison you could have made.

You're trying to compare a man who spent years at Barcelona playing for Cryuff, who in turn shaped that entire club to play a certain way. Pep then returned to learn about all of that in their academy, continuing a specific style...

Oh £#%&! it, what is the point.

Ole spent 10 years playing under Fergie, a coach who shaped the club in to what it became..... Barcelona tried a load of coaches before they appointed the bald one, just like Utd who hired different coaches with completely different ideas on how Utd should play.. The only reason baldy got the chance was because Rijkaard made a balls up of the job..

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

Don’t think the money is the factor. It’s only a year ago we committed a fortune to Sanchez and we dish out four-year contracts to lads like Jones as if it’s nothing. They extended Mou’s deal when they clearly didn’t trust him. The club are far more reckless with money than given credit for and if they think Poch could rebuild United then £40m is nothing.

Solskjaer is just as big a risk. If he falls away next season they’ll get just as much criticism for being naive as they would if they went for Poch. That’s why it isn’t an easy decision. I tend to think he will get it though and Poch staying at Spurs in the meantime is ideal.

£40m doesn't mean anything to them, but I think we'd struggle to prise him away from there.

Ole is the easy decision in terms of how easy he'd be to get as opposed to Poch.

Genuine concerns about Poch's capacity to go to that 'next level'

Spurs constantly shitting out the moment they look like they have a squeak of the title is a concern.

On a bigger level, they're overachieving . On a micro level, they're bottlers.

Originally Posted by ziggyman17

Ole spent 10 years playing under Fergie, a coach who shaped the club in to what it became..... Barcelona tried a load of coaches before they appointed the bald one, just like Utd who hired different coaches with completely different ideas on how Utd should play.. The only reason baldy got the chance was because Rijkaard made a balls up of the job..

didn't he win the treble with them?

Barons had a mare here.....

i just don't know how to believe

Poch can £#%&! the £#%&! off.

To me it looks as if it's a proper team effort amongst the coaching staff atm. Phelan is actually a better link to Fergie in a coaching sense than Ole, as he was a lot closer to him on that level when last at the club.

If you get someone else in, it's not just Ole you risk losing imo, and while he is definitely doing a brilliant job from a coaching point of view, it's pretty clear he's not the only one.

Originally Posted by Jack Duckworth

if only i'd written the exact same thing in the post above yours...

Originally Posted by ziggyman17

Ole spent 10 years playing under Fergie, a coach who shaped the club in to what it became..... Barcelona tried a load of coaches before they appointed the bald one, just like Utd who hired different coaches with completely different ideas on how Utd should play.. The only reason baldy got the chance was because Rijkaard made a balls up of the job..

Fergie didn't implement a tiki-taka type approach, cementing a formation that every team from the youngest to the first team all play, all learning the game the same way, all learning the same fundamentals of that particular approach.

The fact Pep could step in after coaching the youth side with what some would consider minimal experience is facile. He'd had his entire career shaped by Cryuff's approach, even when he was gone the whole club still marched to the beat of his drum.

Ole stepping in & having played under Fergie, understanding it's culture, isn't the same thing. It's simply a change from the shit@#%&!s that have managed since Fergie that he understands we want an attacking, pacey style. Not much more - those are two polar approaches to how a manager determines experience.

Ole has done a wonderful job, showing his predecessors up in the process (stylistically specifically) but I wouldn't by any stretch say that he was as fortunate as Pep was to take on a side that already knew it's job inside out. Mimicking some of Fergie's approach to wanting to play attacking football isn't comparable to Barca's set-up, pretty basic point really.

Originally Posted by Baron

Fergie didn't implement a tiki-taka type approach, cementing a formation that every team from the youngest to the first team all play, all learning the game the same way, all learning the same fundamentals of that particular approach.

The fact Pep could step in after coaching the youth side with what some would consider minimal experience is facile. He'd had his entire career shaped by Cryuff's approach, even when he was gone the whole club still marched to the beat of his drum.

Ole stepping in & having played under Fergie, understanding it's culture, isn't the same thing. It's simply a change from the shit@#%&!s that have managed since Fergie that he understands we want an attacking, pacey style. Not much more - those are two polar approaches to how a manager determines experience.

Ole has done a wonderful job, showing his predecessors up in the process (stylistically specifically) but I wouldn't by any stretch say that he was as fortunate as Pep was to take on a side that already knew it's job inside out. Mimicking some of Fergie's approach to wanting to play attacking football isn't comparable to Barca's set-up, pretty basic point really.

so you're saying Ole is better?

Originally Posted by silv

so you're saying Ole is better?

I'm saying his job is infinitely harder, not least as Pep had Messi to manage, but also there's not really a like for like comparison to be made if you truly understand the structure of the two clubs.

Originally Posted by Jethro

Originally Posted by Baron

Fergie didn't implement a tiki-taka type approach, cementing a formation that every team from the youngest to the first team all play, all learning the game the same way, all learning the same fundamentals of that particular approach.

The fact Pep could step in after coaching the youth side with what some would consider minimal experience is facile. He'd had his entire career shaped by Cryuff's approach, even when he was gone the whole club still marched to the beat of his drum.

Ole stepping in & having played under Fergie, understanding it's culture, isn't the same thing. It's simply a change from the shit@#%&!s that have managed since Fergie that he understands we want an attacking, pacey style. Not much more - those are two polar approaches to how a manager determines experience.

Ole has done a wonderful job, showing his predecessors up in the process (stylistically specifically) but I wouldn't by any stretch say that he was as fortunate as Pep was to take on a side that already knew it's job inside out. Mimicking some of Fergie's approach to wanting to play attacking football isn't comparable to Barca's set-up, pretty basic point really.

wow, that's a lot of words to say "sorry lads, i got it wrong"

Jack's on fire

Sorry seems to be the hardest word.

Originally Posted by Bunker Buster

Jack's on fire

Sorry seems to be the hardest word.

I reckon it's pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

Originally Posted by Cream

I reckon it's pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis.

The Panathinkaikos defender?

Originally Posted by Jack Duckworth

wow, that's a lot of words to say "sorry lads, i got it wrong"

£#%&!ing waffle waitress