Mourinho needs to be sacked TONIGHT

Originally Posted by utd99

The danger is that there becomes no such thing as a player who’s not good enough, only players who aren’t confident enough, and then it becomes to easy to blame everyone and everything else. The top players have dips as well, but they don’t need the types of constant excuses I hear being rolled out for this lot.

They're not mutually exclusive.

I expect a good manager to get the best out of average players, the best out of the best players, sign better players and sell the players who aren't good enough or don't fit in.

Players need to take personal responsibility too, ofcourse, and I've made that point recently 're Rashford.

But if all of them are underachieving, if a whole team looks bereft of life, you look above.

I don't think Lingard is good enough to be a starting regular for United. I think he has some quality though in a system that suits his style. This system isn't it.

Jose Mourinho has also kept him over 5 transfer windows and plays him ahead of other options.

This applies to a lot of them.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Busby spent 500 quid

We've created less chances this season than Mark Hughes' Southampton....

Originally Posted by utd99

Mourinho’s done a poor job, but that’s an irrelevant stat. Might as well say Busby spent 500 quid.

is it £#%&!... Mourinho up until this summer ( even then he spent 90 million) had more or less unlimited funds for 3 years, Fergie was always managing us with one hand tied behind his back in the transfer market, Ferguson was never given a blank cheque book in the way Mourinho has, Mourinho has pissed away the best part of half a billion quid and we are as bad now as we were under Moyes.........

Originally Posted by Clownbones

They're not mutually exclusive.

I expect a good manager to get the best out of average players, the best out of the best players, sign better players and sell the players who aren't good enough or don't fit in.

Players need to take personal responsibility too, ofcourse, and I've made that point recently 're Rashford.

But if all of them are underachieving, if a whole team looks bereft of life, you look above.

I don't think Lingard is good enough to be a starting regular for United. I think he has some quality though in a system that suits his style. This system isn't it.

Jose Mourinho has also kept him over 5 transfer windows and plays him ahead of other options.

This applies to a lot of them.

Mourinho’s done a shit job; no argument there. I just don’t believe in the whole sleight of hand approach we take to discussing our problems. Some of these players we’re excusing would be shit under any manager.

Originally Posted by utd99

Mourinho’s done a shit job; no argument there. I just don’t believe in the whole sleight of hand approach we take to discussing our problems. Some of these players we’re excusing would be shit under any manager.

Agreed.

Some of our players shit.

The problems are bigger than that.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

We've got Southampton away next. Probably the only team in worse form than £#%&!ing Palace.

Stand by for them sacking Leslie before they play us........

Originally Posted by ziggyman17

is it £#%&!... Mourinho up until this summer ( even then he spent 90 million) had more or less unlimited funds for 3 years, Fergie was always managing us with one hand tied behind his back in the transfer market, Ferguson was never given a blank cheque book in the way Mourinho has, Mourinho has pissed away the best part of half a billion quid and we are as bad now as we were under Moyes.........

Given the insane inflation rate football has seen over the past decade or so, using monetary comparisons is irrelevant. For the majority of his tenure, Fergie could have bought the five best players in England for what we spent on Pogba alone. Fergie brought in a lot of players in his first four years.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Agreed.

Some of our players shit.

The problems are bigger than that.

Agreed. Too many shit players, a manager doing a shit job, a ceo who is clueless and owners who don’t understand the sport their business model is based on. Those are the problems, and to ignore any of them in favour of another is just bias.

[quote=utd99;5047833]Given the insane inflation rate football has seen over the past decade or so, using monetary comparisons is irrelevant. For the majority of his tenure, Fergie could have bought the five best players in England for what we spent on Pogba alone. Fergie brought in a lot of players in his first four years.

Their was a time in the 90's when we were winning league titles that we were being out spent by Man City, Newcastle, Blackburn,

Originally Posted by utd99

Given the insane inflation rate football has seen over the past decade or so, using monetary comparisons is irrelevant. For the majority of his tenure, Fergie could have bought the five best players in England for what we spent on Pogba alone. Fergie brought in a lot of players in his first four years.



Agreed. Too many shit players, a manager doing a shit job, a ceo who is clueless and owners who don’t understand the sport their business model is based on. Those are the problems, and to ignore any of them in favour of another is just bias.

To ignore them, yes, but not to point out some are bigger than others.

The whole way we go about hiring managers and where we want to go as football club is a bigger issue than Matteo Darmian, for example.

Originally Posted by utd99

I may not understand much about football, but how does this style or that style have such an impact on a player’s most basic technique and execution? Does playing a certain way make you unable to trap a football or keep a ten yard ball in play?

Lingard is a chancer who should be nowhere near a Man United squad that has any pride.

Disagree that these are issues for Lingard. He's a technically sound player who probably doesn't suit a team that wants to bypass the middle of the pitch. He's not a world-beater by any means but I think managers at other top clubs would find use for him.

We have average players. But then so does every team in this entire league aside from City who have assembled a billion quid squad.

Fergie worked with average players - didn't stop him making the whole greater than the sum of it's parts.

Look at Klopp ffs. Just look at Liverpool's defence. Aside from Van Dijk who the £#%&! would recognise any of them if you walked past them in the street? Alexander-Arnold? Robertson? Probably cost less than a month of Sanchez's wages. But they have the joint best defence in the league. Why? Because the manager is playing a way to get the best of what he's got. Ours cannot.

The fact is because the team doesn't function properly as a unit, we're looking for players to produce moments of individual quality to win matches and this squad isn't big on that. The mindset of the team is totally and utterly wrong. Mourinho wants to set teams up to win games on fine margins, to take advantage of moments in games and then remain stoic and solid to see the game out. This team doesn't have that in it. It's not experienced enough, it's not good enough and more importantly it doesn't enjoy playing like that. Not many teams do these days.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

We have average players. But then so does every team in this entire league aside from City who have assembled a billion quid squad.

Fergie worked with average players - didn't stop him making the whole greater than the sum of it's parts.

Look at Klopp ffs. Just look at Liverpool's defence. Aside from Van Dijk who the £#%&! would recognise any of them if you walked past them in the street? Alexander-Arnold? Robertson? Probably cost less than a month of Sanchez's wages. But they have the joint best defence in the league. Why? Because the manager is playing a way to get the best of what he's got. Ours cannot.

The fact is because the team doesn't function properly as a unit, we're looking for players to produce moments of individual quality to win matches and this squad isn't big on that. The mindset of the team is totally and utterly wrong. Mourinho wants to set teams up to win games on fine margins, to take advantage of moments in games and then remain stoic and solid to see the game out. This team doesn't have that in it. It's not experienced enough, it's not good enough and more importantly it doesn't enjoy playing like that. Not many teams do these days.

And City managed 100 points last season with Fabian Delph frequently playing at left back.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

And City managed 100 points last season with Fabian Delph frequently playing at left back.

Precisely but it's not about them, it's us.

The negative defeatist setup is an insult. It's an insult to the supporters, can only imagine it's worse for the players. I know, they should "man up" and all but it's not that £#%&!ing simple is it.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

And City managed 100 points last season with Fabian Delph frequently playing at left back.

I rest my case.

City's defence isnt super human, it's just that they play in a way so as to make sure they aren't having to defend a lot. Same as Liverpool. On the front foot, all the time, every game. Have over 60% of the ball every single game and dominate the other team in their own half.

We on the other hand have a shaky as £#%&! defence which we seem to enjoy leaving utterly exposed. It took until the 70th minute today for a player to put a proper tackle on a Palace player - and it was rashford of all people. Until then, Palace had the freedom of old trafford every time they had the ball, they could bring it forward, get it to Zaha's feet every time he had loads of space. We have no interest in getting the ball back or being on the front foot. We retreat and surrender space to the opposition in an attempt to maintain team shape. It doesn't work.

City have scored twice as many goals as us in the league after 13 games

That's not even a huge slight on us. They have 40 goals ffs.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

City have scored twice as many goals as us in the league after 13 games

That's not even a huge slight on us. They have 40 goals ffs.

They only put three past us. Below their average

when all is said and done, the manager needs to go, he is not getting the best out of the players, their is no plan or forward planning put in place, it is a shambles from top to bottom but the buck stops with the manager regarding the football and it philosophy.. So £#%&! him off immediately and get some £#%&!er who wants to play football... The £#%&!er is more interested in gaining browny points in taking pot shots at players and bigging himself up instead of doing what he is paid to do........

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

City have scored twice as many goals as us in the league after 13 games

That's not even a huge slight on us. They have 40 goals ffs.

And good job they are as well otherwise Liverpool would be running away with it

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

City have scored twice as many goals as us in the league after 13 games

That's not even a huge slight on us. They have 40 goals ffs.

They’re a trillion times better than everyone but Liverpool are right up their arse, with a team full of hard-running no-marks, and could conceivably win the league if they get a result at City. Sparky’s said it all....