United v Bournemouth: Match Thread

Originally Posted by Coracao

Shaw has a hell of a lot to work on. He has been caught out a fair but this season defensively. He's arguably worse in that aspect of his game than when he first arrived

Think me and you need to watch the game again pal according to some on here

Sound. £#%&! United and £#%&! Ole.

Originally Posted by MagnificentSeven

one thing's for certain.

this lot love playing for ole.

Until there’s a bit of adversity or they give him reason to challenge one or two of them. Then we’ll see how much they love him or whether they’ll revert to type.

Originally Posted by waynes ear's

Sound. £#%&! United and £#%&! Ole.

Woah. £#%&! united all you want, but leave Ole out of it.

Originally Posted by The Stella Fella

Think me and you need to watch the game again pal according to some on here

More of a theme of the season, tho he seems to be trying a bit harder to maintain his fitness. His 5th season at United, and I don't think anyone can call it with any degree of confidence as to whether he will become a player or not. He really needs to stay fit and play the vast majority of games until the end of the season. Amazingly 1 more appearance this season will result in the most games he's played for United in a season.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Until there’s a bit of adversity or they give him reason to challenge one or two of them. Then we’ll see how much they love him or whether they’ll revert to type.

Again, the players rallied and came back from positions of adversity on the pitch time and time again in the last 12 months, in each and every situation a position that the managers negative tactics/game plan put them in. Were they the defeatists you suggest they could have assured his sacking earlier by maintaining the capitulations at Bournemouth and Newcastle, for instance, instead they rallied, in spite of the manager.

You are still painting the players as the issue over the course of Mourinho's reign when absolute everything other than Mourinho's comments themselves point at the actual problem.

Mourinho was the poison and was from the day he walked through the door and began things by signing Zlatan and undermining and beginning to £#%&! Martial off and getting shut of Memphis within 5 months. Is it any surprise that the board drew a line under his transfer plans as he continued to try to shift on Martial and £#%&! Rashford off to the point he was considering his future while chasing Perisic, Willian et al, and Memphis was merrily ripping up the French League

He should never have even been in with a shout of the job following his behaviour at Madrid and especially at Chelsea second time. The biggest and mostly costly error was hiring him.

Originally Posted by dunk

Again, the players rallied and came back from positions of adversity on the pitch time and time again in the last 12 months, in each and every situation a position that the managers negative tactics/game plan put them in. Were they the defeatists you suggest they could have assured his sacking earlier by maintaining the capitulations at Bournemouth and Newcastle, for instance, instead they rallied, in spite of the manager.

You are still painting the players as the issue over the course of Mourinho's reign when absolute everything other than Mourinho's comments themselves point at the actual problem.

Mourinho was the poison and was from the day he walked through the door and began things by signing Zlatan and undermining and beginning to £#%&! Martial off and getting shut of Memphis within 5 months. Is it any surprise that the board drew a line under his transfer plans as he continued to try to shift on Martial and £#%&! Rashford off to the point he was considering his future while chasing Perisic, Willian et al, and Memphis was merrily ripping up the French League

He should never have even been in with a shout of the job following his behaviour at Madrid and especially at Chelsea second time. The biggest and mostly costly error was hiring him.

Great post dunk.

Originally Posted by dunk

Again, the players rallied and came back from positions of adversity on the pitch time and time again in the last 12 months, in each and every situation a position that the managers negative tactics/game plan put them in. Were they the defeatists you suggest they could have assured his sacking earlier by maintaining the capitulations at Bournemouth and Newcastle, for instance, instead they rallied, in spite of the manager.

You are still painting the players as the issue over the course of Mourinho's reign when absolute everything other than Mourinho's comments themselves point at the actual problem.

Mourinho was the poison and was from the day he walked through the door and began things by signing Zlatan and undermining and beginning to £#%&! Martial off and getting shut of Memphis within 5 months. Is it any surprise that the board drew a line under his transfer plans as he continued to try to shift on Martial and £#%&! Rashford off to the point he was considering his future while chasing Perisic, Willian et al, and Memphis was merrily ripping up the French League

He should never have even been in with a shout of the job following his behaviour at Madrid and especially at Chelsea second time. The biggest and mostly costly error was hiring him.

Spot on.

#@&%!s like Paul Merson calling the players a disgrace.

Bullshit.

We were shit because we were set up to be shit. Every player was compromised and beaten down in public.

If they had no heart, as you say, they wouldn't be rallying and coming back in games.

It's lazy to say they'd stopped playing. They were playing at 70%. Which is the best you can expect when you're £#%&!ing miserable being managed by someone holding you back.

Nobody slated him publicly. Nobody has since he's gone. All of them have avoided saying it's better under Ole.

I think they've been as professional as you would expect them to be.

There wasn't a doubt in my mind that they were not a group of lads capable of much more than they were showing under Jose.

If it's one or two not pulling their weight, you question them. If it's literally every single one of them, you question their manager.

Originally Posted by Jammy Dodger

Until there’s a bit of adversity or they give him reason to challenge one or two of them. Then we’ll see how much they love him or whether they’ll revert to type.

Agreed. Some of these guys have been here since 2013 and quickly gave up on three managers. They've got the power.

Originally Posted by saffers

Agreed. Some of these guys have been here since 2013 and quickly gave up on three managers. They've got the power.

Did they give up on van gaal? They all seem pretty fond of him, and I'm sure some have defended him since he left.

Originally Posted by messhead

Did they give up on van gaal? They all seem pretty fond of him, and I'm sure some have defended him since he left.

Do you remember November 2015-March 2016? Norwich at home in December and the cl group stage exit being the worst.

Constant sniping in the media through players fave journos, leaks galore. It got pretty toxic there too even though LvG never displayed much displeasure in public.

Originally Posted by saffers

Do you remember November 2015-March 2016? Norwich at home in December and the cl group stage exit being the worst.

Constant sniping in the media through players fave journos, leaks galore. It got pretty toxic there too even though LvG never displayed much displeasure in public.

10-15 players out injured, teenagers in defence etc.. It was tough nqat, but there were reasons.

i think lvg was the best of the 3 post fergie. it was painful to watch though. all that pointless possession then we'd make a mistake and lose. it became so predictable. oh we're going to dominate possession then lose.

Originally Posted by armchair

i think lvg was the best of the 3 post fergie. it was painful to watch though. all that pointless possession then we'd make a mistake and lose. it became so predictable. oh we're going to dominate possession then lose.

Whereas with Mou, we increasingly dispensed with the dominating possession bit

Originally Posted by armchair

i think lvg was the best of the 3 post fergie. it was painful to watch though. all that pointless possession then we'd make a mistake and lose. it became so predictable. oh we're going to dominate possession then lose.

Problem there being he cut himself too thin on creativity throughout the side. Another summer window could’ve made all the difference

https://mobile.twitter.com/mike_1888/status/1079726542928916480

Originally Posted by saffers

Do you remember November 2015-March 2016? Norwich at home in December and the cl group stage exit being the worst.

Constant sniping in the media through players fave journos, leaks galore. It got pretty toxic there too even though LvG never displayed much displeasure in public.

If we weren't playing attacking football, the manager got slagged off, be it DFM, LVG or Jose. Now the manager has gone and we're playing attacking football again, the press have rounded on the players. Seems better everyone hating us again rather than laughing at us though.

Originally Posted by armchair

i think lvg was the best of the 3 post fergie. it was painful to watch though. all that pointless possession then we'd make a mistake and lose. it became so predictable. oh we're going to dominate possession then lose.

You may be right, but it’s like debating who’s the tallest dwarf.

The reason these arguments about Mourinho and van Gaal go on and on is because people are not consistent. Both underachieved; both lost the dressing room and the support; both presided over largely shit performances; both were horrible in the market, and both were rightly fired. Whether one gets excused and the other condemned on here however seems to depend wholely on what your position was early doors.

There’s no crime in being wrong, but constantly defending the indefensible is pretty ludicrous tbh.

Originally Posted by Buck

https://mobile.twitter.com/mike_1888...26542928916480

I had one of these directly in front of me at a concert recently. I’m not sure when people became social zombies, but they’re leaning more and more on others not wanted to get nicked for smashing their £#%&!ing phones tbh.