Is Tony Valencia out greatest ever right back?

Originally Posted by thrills_pills_bellyaches

Discuss.

No chance , Valencia certainly ain't our greatest right back , he is far better winger than right back ,perhaps you should be looking at Utd's history a bit more.

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

never seen a player more technically sound at the basics.

You've never seen a player more technically sound at the basics than Antonio Valencia?

Really?

Originally Posted by Sparky***

You've never seen a player more technically sound at the basics than Antonio Valencia?

Really?

Valencia is an odd one in that regard. His first touch and first time passing are at a very high level, but there is a complete lack of imagination or flair in his game. Technical mastery of the basics should theoretically give you the confidence to play a more expansive game, not Tony though.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

You've never seen a player more technically sound at the basics than Antonio Valencia?

Really?

yes really.

Originally Posted by Tiberian

Valencia is an odd one in that regard. His first touch and first time passing are at a very high level, but there is a complete lack of imagination or flair in his game. Technical mastery of the basics should theoretically give you the confidence to play a more expansive game, not Tony though.

the way he receives the ball under pressure, almost always away from where the opponent can get at it, is what allows him to keep it simple. same with all technically great players.

imagination, vision and tactical creativity are a different thing.

Mike Duxbury was a confident right back, when they defended without being wing backs .

Not putting him above G Nev, but he was better than Valencia as a defender.

As was John Gidman, although he was past his best when he arrived at OT, but at least he helped city to relegation after leaving us for them.

Through my time supporting United since the late 80’s early 90’s

1. Valencia
2. G.Neville
3. Parker


4. Rafael

Originally Posted by Tumescent Throb

yes really.



the way he receives the ball under pressure, almost always away from where the opponent can get at it, is what allows him to keep it simple. same with all technically great players.

imagination, vision and tactical creativity are a different thing.

Watching him wriggling around to get back onto his right is one of the most painful sights in football.

That said I've grown to admire the way he's reinvented himself, and even his fiercest crtitics would never suggest he gives less than everything for the cause.

Originally Posted by Red Santos

Through my time supporting United since the late 80’s early 90’s

1. Valencia
2. G.Neville
3. Parker


4. Rafael

Valencia better than Neville?

£#%&! off

Originally Posted by zanzare

Mike Duxbury was a confident right back, when they defended without being wing backs .

Not putting him above G Nev, but he was better than Valencia as a defender.

As was John Gidman, although he was past his best when he arrived at OT, but at least he helped city to relegation after leaving us for them.

The 3 you named were better right back than Valencia ,did you know that Gidman was blind in 1 eye and should never have passed the medical ,but Atkinson knew of problem and they got around it with some scam . that was in a documentry on Utd tv channel , he was a very good quality player way passed his best when we got him but he still improved the team.

Originally Posted by Sweet FA

The 3 you named were better right back than Valencia ,did you know that Gidman was blind in 1 eye and should never have passed the medical ,but Atkinson knew of problem and they got around it with some scam . that was in a documentry on Utd tv channel , he was a very good quality player way passed his best when we got him but he still improved the team.

Was that the "When the floodlights fade" documentary?

I thought he came across as quite a sad figure

Originally Posted by sa7

Was that the "When the floodlights fade" documentary?

I thought he came across as quite a sad figure

What has he done since leaving football? Wikipedia has literally nothing

Originally Posted by red in cumbria

What has he done since leaving football? Wikipedia has literally nothing

Living in Spain. Playing golf etc

Thought he seemed alright. Decent bloke. Bit of a social life.

Was a good player. Popular.

Originally Posted by Denis Irwell

Living in Spain. Playing golf etc

Thought he seemed alright. Decent bloke. Bit of a social life.

Was a good player. Popular.

He didn't seem a bad fella. It was that bit where he was at the Cliff reminiscing. Seemed a bit like a man who the world had left behind.

Originally Posted by sa7

He didn't seem a bad fella. It was that bit where he was at the Cliff reminiscing. Seemed a bit like a man who the world had left behind.

Yeah, spose most of them go a bit that way. Middle aged, looking back on halcyon days.

Enjoyed the doco.

players from the olden days are fundamentally inferior, there isn't a player pre 1985 who would get in our side now

Originally Posted by thenorthwillriseagain

players from the olden days are fundamentally inferior, there isn't a player pre 1985 who would get in our side now

Best? Charlton? Law?

Originally Posted by sa7

He didn't seem a bad fella. It was that bit where he was at the Cliff reminiscing. Seemed a bit like a man who the world had left behind.

we will all end up like that ,thinking about the great times you had ,and how the world is going backwards , it's all high tech today ,i feel really sorry for anybody born after the 80's . hardly see any kids playing football or riding bikes in my area , many people can't manage unless they got mobile phone in hand ,when we face the facts it's a sad world compared to 40+ yrs ago. the younger generation doe's not know the difference and just think the older ones are dinosaurs ,but they never knew the great times of 60's till end 80's in all aspects of life.

Bang average player who has become massively overrated to the point of being presented as some sort of purists choice by pseuds all because of him being willing to play right back when we didn't really have anyone,

A piece of play that sums him up perfectly happened during Sunday, approaching the halfway line with Lukaku crying out for an straightforward pass down the wing to let him run at a wobbling West Ham, Valencia backheeled it and turned back towards his own goal. it annoyed the living bejesus out of me.

He's not nearly our best right back, he's a percentage playing shithouse who's made the right back spot his own by being adequate going forward and back and having his positional errors blamed on less popular centre halves.

Originally Posted by thenorthwillriseagain

players from the olden days are fundamentally inferior, there isn't a player pre 1985 who would get in our side now

They are getting on a bit now. Dead in some cases.

Originally Posted by thenorthwillriseagain

players from the olden days are fundamentally inferior, there isn't a player pre 1985 who would get in our side now

Probably one of the most ridiculous statements ever made on the Internet. Congratulations.

Imagine thinking the likes of Pele, Garrincha, Cruyff, Neeskens, Di Stefano, Puskas, Beckenbauer, Charlton and Rivera wouldn't get into a United side that finished sixth in a piss-poor league.

Smalling better than Gentile? Fellaini better than Gerson?