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Unread 27-04-2019, 11:27 AM
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Watch how Madrid will go about rebuilding compared to us this summer.

They e already signed that Porto centre back that’s supposed to be the real deal and Vinicius last summer who looks like he could go into to be a star

They’ll ship Bale out on loan and bring the likes of Hazard in without much fuss.
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 03:23 PM
The Return of Tim
 
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Watch how Madrid will go about rebuilding compared to us this summer.

They e already signed that Porto centre back that’s supposed to be the real deal and Vinicius last summer who looks like he could go into to be a star

They’ll ship Bale out on loan and bring the likes of Hazard in without much fuss.
Can't really expect us to do the same.

Madrid who have been successful throughout their history and remain the most desirable club in the world for players, against United, a club who outside of a brief successful period under a single manager have been on the whole average, are not really considered an elite club in world football, and are now in a rapid and irreversible decline.

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Unread 27-04-2019, 03:27 PM
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The issue is, he is great at what he is meant to do...finding sponsors etc

He should not be running the football side of things. We're owned by tight @#%&!s who want one man to do the two jobs.
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 03:30 PM
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The issue is, he is great at what he is meant to do...finding sponsors etc

He should not be running the football side of things. We're owned by tight @#%&!s who want one man to do the two jobs.
Is he even great at that? How hard can it be to find a wine sponsor
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 04:08 PM
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Watch how Madrid will go about rebuilding compared to us this summer.

They e already signed that Porto centre back that’s supposed to be the real deal and Vinicius last summer who looks like he could go into to be a star

They’ll ship Bale out on loan and bring the likes of Hazard in without much fuss.
who Mourinho told Woodworm to sign earlier in the season....Also Pepe that right winger who is ripping it up with Lille, another player Mourinho wanted, but Woodworm had his lapdogs in the media paint a picture that Mourinho only wanted to sign over the hill cripples......
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 04:21 PM
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who Mourinho told Woodworm to sign earlier in the season....Also Pepe that right winger who is ripping it up with Lille, another player Mourinho wanted, but Woodworm had his lapdogs in the media paint a picture that Mourinho only wanted to sign over the hill cripples......
Given Mourinho's record of signing players, it's perfectly understandable why the board no longer wanted to give the @#%&! any money. These are the 11 he bought into United:

Bailly - £30m
Zlatan - Free
Mkhitaryan - £30m
Pogba - £90m
Lindelof - £30m
Lukaku - £75m
Matic - £40m
Sanchez - Free
Fred - £55m
Dalot - £19m
Grant - £1.5m

That's over £370m spent, and not a single player who has provided anywhere near a sensible return on investment. Lindelof is perhaps the only one that comes close, and he's far, far away from being classed as a great signing yet.

Obviously the structure at the top of the club is broken and unworkable, with parasitical owners using the club as a credit card, and an accountant in charge of football matters, but the identification of players by Mourinho, and subsequent building of a squad over the last three years, has been utterly destructive.
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 04:33 PM
ziggyman17
 
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Given Mourinho's record of signing players, it's perfectly understandable why the board no longer wanted to give the @#%&! any money. These are the 11 he bought into United:

Bailly - £30m
Zlatan - Free
Mkhitaryan - £30m
Pogba - £90m
Lindelof - £30m
Lukaku - £75m
Matic - £40m
Sanchez - Free
Fred - £55m
Dalot - £19m
Grant - £1.5m

That's over £370m spent, and not a single player who has provided anywhere near a sensible return on investment. Lindelof is perhaps the only one that comes close, and he's far, far away from being classed as a great signing yet.

Obviously the structure at the top of the club is broken and unworkable, with parasitical owners using the club as a credit card, and an accountant in charge of football matters, but the identification of players by Mourinho, and subsequent building of a squad over the last three years, has been utterly destructive.
over half of them were club signings, I would say Mourinho had a say in signing under half of those..
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 04:44 PM
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Most of them signings were welcomed by the fans iirc they just didn’t work out due to numerous factors. The fact that most of them turned out to be shit surely can’t lay at the owners/managers/Woodward door surely?

As for Woodward’s involvement and role he occupies, I’m just sat in a bar watching the football and one channel is purely dedicated to social media sites. It’s had a top ten thing of all things based on their social media status for the last week, footballers, models, designers etc etc. in the football category, two of the players mentioned above were in the top ten. That’s what football is and what Woodward is employed to unfortunately.
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 05:39 PM
Neo
 
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Most of them signings were welcomed by the fans iirc they just didn’t work out due to numerous factors. The fact that most of them turned out to be shit surely can’t lay at the owners/managers/Woodward door surely?
The fans aren't employed as professionals on multi-million pound salaries to get things right though, you simple @#%&!.

Identification and purchase of players, and the building of a squad, are basic job requirements for the likes of Woodward and Mourinho, and they both failed cataclysmically.

Mourinho was never right for United, as he does not fit the culture, and did not understand the club (much like his fanboys on here) but the wider problem now is the erosion of the values of the club by it's American owners and lapdog-in-chief, Woodward. Mourinho being binned was always a step in the right direction, but the head of the Glazer snake needs to be cut off before this club rises again.
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 05:43 PM
S/Side.Red
 
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who Mourinho told Woodworm to sign earlier in the season....Also Pepe that right winger who is ripping it up with Lille, another player Mourinho wanted, but Woodworm had his lapdogs in the media paint a picture that Mourinho only wanted to sign over the hill cripples......
Who is this according to? Castles?

Tbh I doubt Fred was a Mou signing. But I'd also doubt he wanted to turn to a young Brazilian centre-half to address our issues.
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 05:58 PM
andyroo
 
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"Woodward wouldn't let Mourinho sign him las summer" is getting like Wenger saying he almost signed someone
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 08:27 PM
red in cumbria
 
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a club who outside of a brief successful period under a single manager have been on the whole average
Well, this is just utter shit isn't it?
 
Unread 27-04-2019, 08:56 PM
AK14
 
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Given Mourinho's record of signing players, it's perfectly understandable why the board no longer wanted to give the @#%&! any money. These are the 11 he bought into United:

Bailly - £30m
Zlatan - Free
Mkhitaryan - £30m
Pogba - £90m
Lindelof - £30m
Lukaku - £75m
Matic - £40m
Sanchez - Free
Fred - £55m
Dalot - £19m
Grant - £1.5m

That's over £370m spent, and not a single player who has provided anywhere near a sensible return on investment. Lindelof is perhaps the only one that comes close, and he's far, far away from being classed as a great signing yet.

Obviously the structure at the top of the club is broken and unworkable, with parasitical owners using the club as a credit card, and an accountant in charge of football matters, but the identification of players by Mourinho, and subsequent building of a squad over the last three years, has been utterly destructive.

Same can be said for Van Gaal and Moyes tbf.

Under Van Gaal (who you dick ride constantly) we sold average players and replaced them with even shitter ones. I’d argue that was a lot more destructive than anything Mourinho did.

The structure of allowing three very different managers free reign over our rebuild in six years is and always will be the biggest problem.
 
Unread 28-04-2019, 12:02 AM
Alex Jones was Right
 
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Well, this is just utter shit isn't it?
It’s a mystery how such an average club became the biggest in Britain with a world wide fan base long before Fergie turned up.
 
Unread 28-04-2019, 12:07 AM
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Can't really expect us to do the same.

Madrid who have been successful throughout their history and remain the most desirable club in the world for players, against United, a club who outside of a brief successful period under a single manager have been on the whole average, are not really considered an elite club in world football, and are now in a rapid and irreversible decline.

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Unread 28-04-2019, 12:29 AM
jem
 
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do we have to wait til his subscription runs out?
 
Unread 28-04-2019, 07:09 AM
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do we have to wait til his subscription runs out?
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Unread 28-04-2019, 08:16 AM
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It just seemed strange to compare our current situation to Madrids. Even when we were at the peak of what we have achieved as a club, in terms of reputation and actual trophies (2006 to 2009 - 3 consecutive titles and a CL), we STILL lost our best player to Madrid. And now you somehow expect us to match them when we're nothing more than a mid-table shitter than Everton nothing club.

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Unread 28-04-2019, 10:20 AM
andyroo
 
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From 1999 to 2001 we won three titles in a row including a treble.

Just as well we never lost any of those players to Madrid... oh.
 
Unread 05-05-2019, 05:16 PM
AK14
 
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Even the £#%&!ing yanks know

Yeah I know he’s a glazer stooge, but they’re not going anywhere for a while. We’ve spent so much money over the last six years and we’re drifting further and further away from winning a major trophy while this bloke is running things.

Put a competent person in place and we’d at least be competitive and wont be needing these rebuild every couple of years.
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