Ole out or in part 2

We have a tough run of fixtures coming up after the international break, flop in those and even with "goodwill" the manager's coat will be on a shoogly peg indeed.

Originally Posted by Vedder

Needs to £#%&! off now I’ve had enough. Seeing him joking and smiling at the end was £#%&!ing rank proper given me the ‘ick’ that has

That was £#%&!ing appalling.

Originally Posted by Hyman_Roth

I honestly don’t know but hopefully someone more informed than me does. We’re going nowhere this season on the evidence so far. Might not make the top 4 at this rate so bullets need to be fired.

Agreed.

Looks like he’s done as much as he can but can’t go any further.

Ultimately you can be "ole in" or "Ole out" whatever, but the proof will be in the pudding.

Even in a boardroom as notoriously dithering as ours they won't sit there forever and let these piss poor results and performances keep rolling in.

Ronaldo certainly won't tolerate this forever and you could see him getting exasperated with his team mates several times today.

Unless there is some kind of utter miracle turnaround in performance levels and tactics we're going to get turned over big style by the opponents we've got coming up.

Sacking him will be like putting a sick pet to sleep, horrible but ultimately the kindest thing to do.

Seriously wtf do they do on the training ground

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Ultimately you can be "ole in" or "Ole out" whatever, but the proof will be in the pudding.

Even in a boardroom as notoriously dithering as ours they won't sit there forever and let these piss poor results and performances keep rolling in.

Ronaldo certainly won't tolerate this forever and you could see him getting exasperated with his team mates several times today.

Unless there is some kind of utter miracle turnaround in performance levels and tactics we're going to get turned over big style by the opponents we've got coming up.

There’s always a tipping point. I remember having the ‘untenable’ conversation last season around this time. We played Everton at goodison after that debacle in Turkey and could just sense it was one of those ‘sacked in the morning’ games. The cameras kept cutting to him and then Everton scored….. I think he was gone if we’d lost thst. As it was, we turned the game and went on a good run.

As you say, good will doesn’t last long. You can sense the fans turning. There’s anxiety in the crowd. The players seem on board, but that won’t last either, especially amongst the bigger personalities. Ronaldo didn’t come here to be out of the title race before Christmas and just plod along. If anxiety and uncertain elevates in the play….and then the effort levels drop….then you’ve got a real problem.

For much of his tenure, he’s found a way to win at times when he’s been under the most pressure, often in trickier spells of fixtures. He’ll need to do it again soon. One win from four home games in a row. Just three goals scored.

Any manager knows that as much as you think long term, the short term will only be allowed to become so bad.

The question is, how bad do we let it become?

Can he afford back to back defeats after the international break

Do you allow the season to run away from you or do you act while titles are still salvagable, but unless there’s an upturn in performances, the results won’t change. We are honestly playing like a mid table team right now. Not as an exception, as the norm. We are easy to get at and easy to defend against. This should not be happening three years into a managers tenure.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

There’s always a tipping point. I remember having the ‘untenable’ conversation last season around this time. We played Everton at goodison after that debacle in Turkey and could just sense it was one of those ‘sacked in the morning’ games. The cameras kept cutting to him and then Everton scored….. I think he was gone if we’d lost thst. As it was, we turned the game and went on a good run.

As you say, good will doesn’t last long. You can sense the fans turning. There’s anxiety in the crowd. The players seem on board, but that won’t last either, especially amongst the bigger personalities. Ronaldo didn’t come here to be out of the title race before Christmas and just plod along. If anxiety and uncertain elevates in the play….and then the effort levels drop….then you’ve got a real problem.

For much of his tenure, he’s found a way to win at times when he’s been under the most pressure, often in trickier spells of fixtures. He’ll need to do it again soon. One win from four home games in a row. Just three goals scored.

Any manager knows that as much as you think long term, the short term will only be allowed to become so bad.

The question is, how bad do we let it become?

Can he afford back to back defeats after the international break

Do you allow the season to run away from you or do you act while titles are still salvagable, but unless there’s an upturn in performances, the results won’t change. We are honestly playing like a mid table team right now. Not as an exception, as the norm. We are easy to get at and easy to defend against. This should not be happening three years into a managers tenure.

Was that the game where he pretty much started to cry in the post match interview?…

And more to the point it should not be happening with the players we have got, the well rehearsed deficiencies in the squad notwithstanding.

Originally Posted by AK14

Was that the game where he pretty much started to cry in the post match interview?…

Yes.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

Yes.

Pretty cringy iirc

We pretended it showed passion etc but looking back…

Next seven league fixtures
Leicester (A), Liverpool (H), Spurs (A), Man City (H), Watford (A), Chelsea (A), Arsenal (H)

He’s gotten big results in the past when he’s needed it most but given how we’re playing this could easily go horribly wrong for Ole

Huge month coming up

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

There’s always a tipping point. I remember having the ‘untenable’ conversation last season around this time. We played Everton at goodison after that debacle in Turkey and could just sense it was one of those ‘sacked in the morning’ games. The cameras kept cutting to him and then Everton scored….. I think he was gone if we’d lost thst. As it was, we turned the game and went on a good run.

As you say, good will doesn’t last long. You can sense the fans turning. There’s anxiety in the crowd. The players seem on board, but that won’t last either, especially amongst the bigger personalities. Ronaldo didn’t come here to be out of the title race before Christmas and just plod along. If anxiety and uncertain elevates in the play….and then the effort levels drop….then you’ve got a real problem.

For much of his tenure, he’s found a way to win at times when he’s been under the most pressure, often in trickier spells of fixtures. He’ll need to do it again soon. One win from four home games in a row. Just three goals scored.

Any manager knows that as much as you think long term, the short term will only be allowed to become so bad.

The question is, how bad do we let it become?

Can he afford back to back defeats after the international break

Do you allow the season to run away from you or do you act while titles are still salvagable, but unless there’s an upturn in performances, the results won’t change. We are honestly playing like a mid table team right now. Not as an exception, as the norm. We are easy to get at and easy to defend against. This should not be happening three years into a managers tenure.

The fact is despite all the background noise - it's either good enough or it isn't.

All this "it's a process"..."ooh all we have to do his give him 5 years and the ferguson era will repeat itself", "he's got the man utd DNA".... at the end of the day - is it £#%&!ing good enough?

Is what we've seen recently anywhere near good enough? Should a team, assembled at such an eye watering cost, be looking as downright shoddy and clueless as we do every single time they take the pitch?

Look at the players he's got to pick from, aside from the obvious in that midfield, just £#%&!ing look. How many managers out there would kill for that? Bringing Ronaldo and Pogba off the bench ffs.

Is this good enough from a man who's been in charge getting on for 3 years now? The short answer is emphatically NO.

If the people upstairs are happy with it and their overall ambition is nothing more than finishing top 4 and keeping the sponsors happy then fair enough - lets just ride this £#%&!ing car crash until the end of the season and make do with being perennial also-rans and getting by on wistful memories of yesteryear.

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

Next seven league fixtures
Leicester (A), Liverpool (H), Spurs (A), Man City (H), Watford (A), Chelsea (A), Arsenal (H)

He’s gotten big results in the past when he’s needed it most but given how we’re playing this could easily go horribly wrong for Ole

Huge month coming up

We’ll learn a lot. We’ve often said we’re better against bigger teams. Well, we certainly aren’t against shitter ones and if all our fears of a good team taking us to the cleaners are realised then it’ll be curtains.

I doubt there would be a set of fans in the Premier League who would be happy if he was appointed as manager of their club. Which probably tells you all you need to know.

Like Mercedes F1 putting Maureen from Driving School in one of their cars.

If it follows the recent seasons it'll get to a stage where he looks a goner and then we'll pull a string of results out. Then we'll go on a little winning streak until it looks like we might actually challenge for something and then we'll throw it all away again and limp over the line.

The dippers game could finish him like it did Mou Mou.

As i've said before, If the board had anything about them, they fire Ole and the hangers on and cough up for Poch.

He can't be happy in Paris managing those #@&%!s.

Originally Posted by Coracao

I doubt there would be a set of fans in the Premier League who would be happy if he was appointed as manager of their club. Which probably tells you all you need to know.

Like Mercedes F1 putting Maureen from Driving School in one of their cars.

And conversely, if we sacked him and got someone like Conte, they’d be worried.

Originally Posted by atticusgrinch

The dippers game could finish him like it did Mou Mou.

As i've said before, If the board had anything about them, they fire Ole and the hangers on and cough up for Poch.

He can't be happy in Paris managing those #@&%!s.

Liverpool will be ruthless too. If we play like we have, as naively as we have, they’ll do what they did last year and rattle in another four.

Originally Posted by AK14

Pretty cringy iirc

We pretended it showed passion etc but looking back…

He had a run of good results after it, though - which would encourage charitable interpretations.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

And conversely, if we sacked him and got someone like Conte, they’d be worried.



Liverpool will be ruthless too. If we play like we have, as naively as we have, they’ll do what they did last year and rattle in another four.[

Thanks a lot. I'd forgotten about that.