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What's funny is nobody actually knows whether Giggs would be good or not. Could Giggs be a fantastic manager? -yes
Do we want to risk it? - no I don't want mourinho for the same reasons I don't want Van Gaal. Choosing a manager with no experience of managing a club in England worked out ok when Fergie came, not so well with the current man. Taking on a manager with no experience worked ok when Sir Matt came, not so good when Wilf took over. Has Mourinho ever built a team? Will Eddy sign the players mourinho needs to buy success? I don't miss the trophies half as much as I miss the sight of a full on united display of exquisite attacking football. I think I'm up for Giggs getting it. |
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If you recall Gill said in an interview on radio 5 that Giggs would have to go and gain experience somewhere else. That it what I'm clinging to because if he gets the job this summer instead of Jose it'll be a bigger risk than Moyes.
This is all due to the fact that Ferguson, Gill & Charlton don't like Jose and if he is successful would look like simpletons for not giving him the job 3 years ago. Very transparent. |
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Doing the above and then hiring Giggs wouldn't indicate a desire to build from within. In conjunction, it would indicate a desire to do things on the cheap. As for being the long term option. Guardiola is always the simplistic argument people use to argue the case for Giggs, which is basically the same kind of technique as saying no one knows Giggs would fail. Yet Guardiola barely lasted three years at barca as he collapsed under the pressure. Too much too soon maybe. Even a glimmer of evidence that Giggs could be a good bet as a long term builder of success would be appreciated. After all no one knows Giggs would succeed. So some evidence in support of it would be nice. There's plenty to support the idea he'd likely fail. In the absence of such evidence, it would be the equivalent of handing a novice assistant the top job in a world wide business as his first managerial job, because no one knows he'd fail. Historical evidence may suggest he's 99% certain to fail but there's still that chance. So why not risk the business for that 1% chance the novice succeeds rather than appoint the man with the experience and best record over the past decade. It would be crazy not to. Quote:
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A nice logical argument though. Those four games with Giggs as caretaker of the league title holders obviously wet your appetite for exquisite attacking football. One thing I don't understand, having woodward trying to sign players seems to put a question mark against mourinho but not Giggs. Is this because Eddy will sign the players Giggs needs to buy success, or doesn't Giggs need it, because he's going to magic a world class team from an underfunded youth system? I'd also suggest mourinho has built more teams than Giggs btw. |
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Mourinho, if he takes over, no doubt will want the players who can get the job done, and if he is intelligent he won't place all his eggs into a group of targets who are virtually unsignable. What would be the point? And Mourinho may have learned from Robson, but his first job wasn't Barcelona was it? No one here seems to have an aversion to Giggs as manager so long as he has earned it, which he currently hasn't. Not even close. |
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i've never lauded guardiola as an example of what giggs might do, although clearly the barcelona scenario of players coming through from within is not so far removed from what giggs knows from his own experience... wtf all that balls you've typed about a technique is only you would know... your appraisal of what's going on with the structure behind the scenes is not very interesting tbph, since not only do you not have access to the full picture but i doubt even you believe the conclusion your own commentary tends towards anyway. |
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IT has to be Mourhino for me, because we are three years in since SAF and we are in a sorry state. We need the best to sort this mess out and he is the best, whether anyone likes him, or wants him, or doesn't. I like Giggs and he's very young in regards to being a manager and I see no reason why he shouldn't take over from Mourhino after he has left. The best is ready and waiting, it will show us just where we are heading if we get him, or if we don't, then what happens after that will be down to them and their continuous poor decision making.
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