Sevilla v Manchester United - Official match thread - KO 8pm - 20/04/23

It was a ridiculous pass from Dave. Mental.

What I can’t square is why he’s still being instructed to do it over and over again. Not sure why 10’ers is asking the two worst ball players in the team to keep passing it to each other against a high press.

Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust

The big problem with trying to play out from the back with Dave is that chip ball out to the touchline for the full back or wide player he can’t play

So every pass has to be short and that allows the opposition to close in on us

How often do you see Ederson play a long pass to beat the press but Dave can’t accurately make that pass

He has to go

Yep. He doesn’t back himself to play that elevated mid range pass, so he just bottles it and is happy to go for the short pass even when he knows it’s going to leave a team-mate in a difficult position to get out of.

He’s done it time and time again this season, one of the goals against Arsenal I think came about because he bottled the chipped pass out wide and instead put AWB in trouble.

It’s criminal, and really quite worrying that EtH hasn’t identified it, or been able to stop him doing it

Originally Posted by Ethers

I don’t care if he asked for it. You don’t play a bad pass just because someone asks for it

The responsibility is on DDG, and he should never ever have played that ball. If you have any other opinion, you’re wrong.

Let’s not even get into the fact that as well as choosing the wrong pass, he played it terribly and made it even harder for Maguire to get out of.

It’s absolutely diabolical, and he does it continually.

You seem to be a bit confused there in your rush to defend Maguire. Never said that De Gea should have played the pass but given that he did, it doesn't absolve Maguire of the responsibility in dealing with it. It wasn't even that difficult a situation for a professional footballer with the most basic ability to be able to handle. Therein lies the real problem.
Obviously, on a related note, no one should ever pass the ball to Maguire in any situation.

Originally Posted by Hank Scorpio

You seem to be a bit confused there in your rush to defend Maguire. Never said that De Gea should have played the pass but given that he did, it doesn't absolve Maguire of the responsibility in dealing with it. It wasn't even that difficult a situation for a professional footballer with the most basic ability to be able to handle. Therein lies the real problem.
Obviously, on a related note, no one should ever pass the ball to Maguire in any situation.

I’m not confused, and certainly not in a rush to defend Maguire.

He shouldn’t have had to deal with it. The fact he can’t deal with it is almost irrelevant. We all know what he’s like, he’s an awful footballer.

But look at the exact moment he receives the pass. This would be a dicy situation even for a footballer who’s good on the ball imo. The still doesn’t even tell the whole story because the players are moving at pace too.

https://twitter.com/BaldyBallLover/status/1649224189495201792?s=20

They're both at fault tbh, Maguire for asking for it/being shite on the ball and De Gea for passing to him. Both need £#%&!ing off, useless spineless bastards.

He should have dummied it through his legs and turned. He'd have broken the press and put us in a good position to start an attack. That's what I'd have done anyway. Jem would have scored with a header.

Originally Posted by Sapien

He should have dummied it through his legs and turned. He'd have broken the press and put us in a good position to start an attack. That's what I'd have done anyway. Jem would have scored with a header.

Exactly. If he had a shred of awareness that was the obvious way to deal with it.

All this “well, he called for it”

So?

Doesn’t mean you have to give it to him. DeGea can see everthinf around Maguire and should choose another option, but because he’s a buck-passing little worm, he’ll happily put the team in jeopardy just to get rid of the ball.

Oh, and let’s take a second to observe De Gear’s presence on the resulting 1 v 1. Non-existent. Just stays rooted. Maybe charge out and bear down on the forward, mate? Nah, just slot it in the corner and our keeper won’t even move.

Apart from quick reaction saves, can anyone name a single element to his game that is actually any good?

The way Maguire swung his foot at it I'm still raging. All he had to do was turn but he shat his pants and tried to hoof it to the side.

But De Gea just as culpable - didn't he do similar to Casemiro and it nearly cost us a goal?

De Gea does that regularly, he’s done it to Fred loads of times. He did it to Martinez against Betis, Martinez was good enough to get out of it, so it doesn’t get highlighted as an issue.

It didn’t need to go to Maguire, the left side was densely populated with red shirts and AWB was free, but De Gea melts, abject panic from his first kick out and he’s done it in big games time and time again.

Originally Posted by Dr Stranger

Apart from quick reaction saves, can anyone name a single element to his game that is actually any good?

His positioning is generally good, which is why the ball is so often straight at him or within his span.

Originally Posted by Ethers

Yep. He doesn’t back himself to play that elevated mid range pass, so he just bottles it and is happy to go for the short pass even when he knows it’s going to leave a team-mate in a difficult position to get out of.

He’s done it time and time again this season, one of the goals against Arsenal I think came about because he bottled the chipped pass out wide and instead put AWB in trouble.

It’s criminal, and really quite worrying that EtH hasn’t identified it, or been able to stop him doing it

In over 5 decades of watching football, I’ve never, ever seen a keeper do this as repeatedly as he does. Never seen a goalie do this. Having said that, I’ve never seen a centre half put a keeper in trouble as much as Maguire does. You’d get £#%&!ing pelters in Sunday league football at Hough End or Platt Fields for doing that. One is probably the world’s highest paid keeper and the other is the worlds h most expensive cb. £#%&!ing mental. Why do they endanger the keeper, by passing back to him when all he can do, at best, is hoof it. Might as well hoof without involving him with the risk.

Not rocket science.

Maguire: he repeatedly makes a shit pass to the keeper or fb, and then starts flapping his £#%&!ing arms around telling them where to pass it next, as though he is some kind of £#%&!ing generalissimo

Originally Posted by ziggystardust

the big problem with trying to play out from the back with dave is that chip ball out to the touchline for the full back or wide player he can’t play

so every pass has to be short and that allows the opposition to close in on us

how often do you see ederson play a long pass to beat the press but dave can’t accurately make that pass

he has to go

apart from the two 1 on 1s hes set up last two league games v everton and forest you £#%&!ng ball bag

https://twitter.com/manutduniverse/status/1649223254287044610?s=46&t=46osAsCMaSbh7vgQsN2lEQ

Originally Posted by puressence

apart from the two 1 on 1s hes set up last two league games v everton and forest you £#%&!ng ball bag

That was due to Everton’s shit defending and absurdly high line meaning he just had to get it over the half way line in the general direction of a red shirt. Same at Forest. Half a pitch to hit. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by puressence

apart from the two 1 on 1s hes set up last two league games v everton and forest you £#%&!ng ball bag

You clearly don’t know the type of ball we’re talking about
It’s not a long ball down the pitch that sometimes an attacker latches onto

It’s those carefully weighted lofted passes out to the full back to beat the press
He can’t play those accurately and on a consistent basis like modern keepers and he knows it

He’s got crap kicking technique which is why every match he £#%&!s up one kick at least

Originally Posted by Hank Scorpio

You seem to be a bit confused there in your rush to defend Maguire. Never said that De Gea should have played the pass but given that he did, it doesn't absolve Maguire of the responsibility in dealing with it. It wasn't even that difficult a situation for a professional footballer with the most basic ability to be able to handle. Therein lies the real problem.
Obviously, on a related note, no one should ever pass the ball to Maguire in any situation.

If Maguire kicks it properly or turns on it upfield where he had space to maneuver, we aren’t talking about this disaster. But it’s Maguire and he did neither of those things and here we are. Certainly not the sole reason we lost but a wholly ridiculous, unprofessional sequence of events.

Sevilla saw it happen at Newcastle and knew they could expose him/them again. As much as Erik encourages them to play it out, have the idiots ever heard of discretion?

If Maguire had just let it run through his legs he'd almost be done with his turn by now.

To be fair to Maguire, if the expectation is for any centre back to be almost dummying attackers as the last man from the pass out from the goalkeeper then it’s a pass that we should never be making.

There’s footage on Twitter where DDG gives Martinez a hospital pass but Martinez has the skills to play out of it.

Let’s be honest both of them are shit and need moving on. We’ve managed to ruin Harry’s career or he’s been exposed - and yet will still get games for England. I hate the useless shite.