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Unread 21-09-2020, 05:50 PM
bosskeano
 
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don't know 100% b/c i'm not in the office beside Woodward but reports say Reguilon fell through because of Madrid wanting in a buy back clause
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 06:13 PM
utd99
 
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don't know 100% b/c i'm not in the office beside Woodward but reports say Reguilon fell through because of Madrid wanting in a buy back clause
Correct. So if a club can just come back at a future date and take one of your players without you having any say in the matter then the player is never really yours, right? You can’t really build a team long term that way, right? We shouldn’t really be letting other clubs or agents have that type of control over our affairs, right? Well QED.

Not in the office.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 06:19 PM
bosskeano
 
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Correct. So if a club can just come back at a future date and take one of your players without you having any say in the matter then the player is never really yours, right? You can’t really build a team long term that way, right? We shouldn’t really be letting other clubs or agents have that type of control over our affairs, right? Well QED.

Not in the office.
the buy back clause is completely different than saying don't buy a player of quality because he may want to leave in the future.

One of them you can control and one of them you can not control.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 06:26 PM
Bunker Buster
 
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don't know 100% b/c i'm not in the office beside Woodward but reports say Reguilon fell through because of Madrid wanting in a buy back clause


This is new news !?!
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 06:37 PM
dunk
 
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the buy back clause is completely different than saying don't buy a player of quality because he may want to leave in the future.

One of them you can control and one of them you can not control.
I think you’ll find Raiola was insistent on a buy out clause in Haaland’s contract, effective after 2 seasons, or something similar. Pretty much the same for de ligt. Plus he gets the bulk of any transfer fees, as he did with Pogba. We really don’t want to be getting involved with that sort of stuff, regardless of the desperation from some fans.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 06:37 PM
utd99
 
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the buy back clause is completely different than saying don't buy a player of quality because he may want to leave in the future.

One of them you can control and one of them you can not control.
The only ones who’ve said that are AK, because he’s on a wind up and Koppas because he’s a bit thick. Literally no one on this forum have said they wouldn’t like Haaland at the club. The vast majority, however, realised that you can’t have any situation where other people (agents, managers or clubs) simply step in and take your players at will. Second tier clubs like Dortmund and Spurs do that because they have no choice.

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I think you’ll find Raiola was insistent on a buy out clause in Haaland’s contract, effective after 2 seasons, or something similar. Pretty much the same for de ligt. Plus he gets the bulk of any transfer fees, as he did with Pogba. We really don’t want to be getting involved with that sort of stuff, regardless of the desperation from some fans.
Correct. The moment we agree to these shenanigans it’s truly over.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 06:45 PM
AK14
 
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I just don’t see the purpose of this. You said you understood, so either you don’t or you’re just trying to provoke another row.

Koppas I don’t expect to understand anything.
Just a joke pal

Please don’t turn into dunk and take everything posted on the internet seriously.

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that makes no sense....so that means we never should have signed ronaldo, rooney, nani, pique

you have no idea how long he may or may not have stayed at United so you get the player in and deal with that down the road
Right...
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 07:01 PM
utd99
 
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Just a joke pal

Please don’t turn into dunk and take everything posted on the internet seriously.
Surely that defeats the whole purpose of a wind up.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 07:05 PM
bosskeano
 
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now that would be interesting from Raiola if he got a buy back clause into Erling's contract with Dortmund for Salzburg.

agreed though....the buy back clause is foolish because you're renting the player until they decide they want them back

Buy out clause makes things a little bit more tricky and a bit of a gamble from both sides b/c you really don't know how the players value will be or how the market will be. Makes negotiating much more simple, well except for Woodward.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 07:28 PM
LaPaz
 
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now that would be interesting from Raiola if he got a buy back clause into Erling's contract with Dortmund for Salzburg.

agreed though....the buy back clause is foolish because you're renting the player until they decide they want them back

Buy out clause makes things a little bit more tricky and a bit of a gamble from both sides b/c you really don't know how the players value will be or how the market will be. Makes negotiating much more simple, well except for Woodward.
Saying there is a buy back clause is misleading as should he leave Dortmund it won't be to return to Saltzburg.

What it means is that the agent makes the decision to transfer the player when he wants to not when the club want to. As stated above the agent will take around massive cut of the transfer fee and decide which club the player moves to.
For example if United had gone for the deal he could sell to City for £100m with United getting £30m and the agent £70m. (the numbers are just an example).

In short its a way round third party ownership which is outlawed by FIFA.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 07:30 PM
windy waffles
 
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I just don’t see the purpose of this. You said you understood, so either you don’t or you’re just trying to provoke another row.

Koppas I don’t expect to understand anything.
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The only ones who’ve said that are AK, because he’s on a wind up and Koppas because he’s a bit thick. Literally no one on this forum have said they wouldn’t like Haaland at the club. The vast majority, however, realised that you can’t have any situation where other people (agents, managers or clubs) simply step in and take your players at will. Second tier clubs like Dortmund and Spurs do that because they have no choice.



Correct. The moment we agree to these shenanigans it’s truly over.
£#%&!ing hell pal thought we were tight now?

I can dream btw. Adding Big Erling to the Benzema and Akinfeev wishlist...
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 07:31 PM
utd99
 
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£#%&!ing hell pal thought we were tight now?

I can dream btw. Adding Big Erling to the Benzema and Akinfeev wishlist...


It’s the internet pol. Apparently you’re not supposed to take anything seriously.

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In short its a way round third party ownership which is outlawed by FIFA.
Is the correct answer.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 07:43 PM
AK14
 
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Surely that defeats the whole purpose of a wind up.
It’s more of a piss take than a wind up tbf
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 07:47 PM
bosskeano
 
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Saying there is a buy back clause is misleading as should he leave Dortmund it won't be to return to Saltzburg.

What it means is that the agent makes the decision to transfer the player when he wants to not when the club want to. As stated above the agent will take around massive cut of the transfer fee and decide which club the player moves to.
For example if United had gone for the deal he could sell to City for £100m with United getting £30m and the agent £70m. (the numbers are just an example).

In short its a way round third party ownership which is outlawed by FIFA.
well £#%&! me....sounds like the player is owned by the agent regardless of who is paying his wages. That's a bit mental.
 
Unread 21-09-2020, 08:03 PM
Sparky***
 
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well £#%&! me....sounds like the player is owned by the agent regardless of who is paying his wages. That's a bit mental.
New to Raiola?
 
Unread 22-09-2020, 06:08 AM
believe
 
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now that would be interesting from Raiola if he got a buy back clause into Erling's contract with Dortmund for Salzburg.

agreed though....the buy back clause is foolish because you're renting the player until they decide they want them back

Buy out clause makes things a little bit more tricky and a bit of a gamble from both sides b/c you really don't know how the players value will be or how the market will be. Makes negotiating much more simple, well except for Woodward.
Nobody seemed too concerned when we were "renting" the likes of Zlatan, Falcao, Schweinsteiger etc

"Renting" a player who might help you challenge for trophies or making a big stand against where the money goes and finishing 6th in the league. It's not really that difficult a decision.
 
Unread 22-09-2020, 06:25 AM
utd99
 
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Nobody seemed too concerned when we were "renting" the likes of Zlatan, Falcao, Schweinsteiger etc

"Renting" a player who might help you challenge for trophies or making a big stand against where the money goes and finishing 6th in the league. It's not really that difficult a decision.
Zlatan and Schweinsteiger were players contracted to us and Falcao was a loan with an option to buy. Other than that you make some great points.
 
Unread 22-09-2020, 07:02 AM
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Zlatan and Schweinsteiger were players contracted to us and Falcao was a loan with an option to buy. Other than that you make some great points.
Zlatan was on a one year contract, not sure how that is more favourable than having Halaand here for two years.
 
Unread 22-09-2020, 07:06 AM
MUFC One Love
 
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£#%&! Haaland and his @#%&! of an agent.
 
Unread 22-09-2020, 08:03 AM
windy waffles
 
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£#%&! Haaland and his @#%&! of an agent.
Yeah let's not sign the world's best talent because we want to prove a point. Let's try and wing it with shit@#%&!s.

The clause didn't even mean he would definitely leave - just gave the option for a minimal release fee. He might have wanted to stay.
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