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Unread 10-12-2018, 09:32 PM
Hands of Scone
 
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Could understand the shade if it was being thrown at JLingz and the £#%&!ing about with "brand" whilst 8th in the table, but Sterling did what? Have a tattoo and buy a house, won a couple of titles and be a very effective footballer.

Imagine the defence of the Sun and the Mail being your chosen hill to die on. Poor Irkers.
Im hardly defending them, more pointing out what utter %@#$&!s people are willing to believe despite not being backed up by any facts. And I’m hardly dying. Not one of you has managed to make a decent point yet. I’m batting you off one by one as you all say the same thing.

It’s like whack-a-mole. Smack. Next! “B b but the Daily Mail!” WHACK.
 
Unread 10-12-2018, 09:36 PM
utd99
 
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Could understand the shade if it was being thrown at JLingz and the £#%&!ing about with "brand" whilst 8th in the table, but Sterling did what? Have a tattoo and buy a house, won a couple of titles and be a very effective footballer.

Imagine the defence of the Sun and the Mail being your chosen hill to die on. Poor Irkers.
Maybe they don’t like him for the same reason no one likes him.*






*Except for his newly acquired hand wringers of course.
 
Unread 10-12-2018, 09:38 PM
My Name is Heath
 
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Spent some time in Africa have you pal?



Yeah, I should actually post about it one of these days
 
Unread 10-12-2018, 09:41 PM
sweetleftfoot
 
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Maybe they don’t like him for the same reason no one likes him.*






*Except for his newly acquired hand wringers of course.
Dont give a shit about him either way, never met him, but I do think he is a very very good player.
 
Unread 10-12-2018, 09:41 PM
utd99
 
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Dont give a shit about him either way, never met him, but I do think he is a very very good player.
More reason to dislike him tbh.
 
Unread 10-12-2018, 09:41 PM
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Maybe they don’t like him for the same reason no one likes him.*






*Except for his newly acquired hand wringers of course.
Channel 4 news on it now. Big news that chelsea fans are racist arseholes apparently.

But, wait, it’s all the newspapers fault.

“Look how the newspapers get their message across” says sterling. The newspapers have a racist message now? Stoking the race war by reporting on property purchases.
 
Unread 10-12-2018, 09:44 PM
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Channel 4 news on it now. Big news that chelsea fans are racist arseholes apparently.

But, wait, it’s all the newspapers fault.

“Look how the newspapers get their message across” says sterling. The newspapers have a racist message now? Stoking the race war by reporting on property purchases.
And the telly listings...don’t get me started on them.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 12:10 AM
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Anyone on here who says they didn't think Sterling was a @#%&! before this weekend is just lying.
It is perfectly possible to think he is a bit of a dick (even by general footballer standards) and also that much recent media coverage has a somewhat dodgy "dog whistling" context.

And its not just "this weekend" either - people picked this up in some of the WC reporting in the summer.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 12:24 AM
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It has probably been mentioned a few times already but why is everyone (media, Sterling etc...) forgetting one of the main reasons Sterling is hated?

Liverpool threw him under the £#%&!ing bus because he wanted to leave. They leaked all sorts of shit to the media and vilified him. I can't remember anything before then. The media have run with it since.

Sterling is clearly right that black players are portrayed differently to white players and that is very wrong. But all this started with the actions of a club that was too busy trying to save face than consider the effects on the player.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 12:29 AM
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It has probably been mentioned a few times already but why is everyone (media, Sterling etc...) forgetting one of the main reasons Sterling is hated?

Liverpool threw him under the £#%&!ing bus because he wanted to leave. They leaked all sorts of shit to the media and vilified him. I can't remember anything before then. The media have run with it since.

Sterling is clearly right that black players are portrayed differently to white players and that is very wrong. But all this started with the actions of a club that was too busy trying to save face than consider the effects on the player.
I was about to mention this earlier. He left the media darlings so was treated as an apostate.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 02:06 AM
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You can't take two throwaway sports articles, penned by two different journalists, as evidence of some racist agenda. It's terribly unscientific.

I realise Professor Collymore is now on board but still, seems rather flimsy to me.

The only evidence on display thus far is coincidence. Find several more and we have grounds for a conspiracy.
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Unread 11-12-2018, 04:39 AM
utd99
 
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It is perfectly possible to think he is a bit of a dick (even by general footballer standards) and also that much recent media coverage has a somewhat dodgy "dog whistling" context.

And its not just "this weekend" either - people picked this up in some of the WC reporting in the summer.
People don’t like him mate. Never have since that ridiculous Being Liverpool thing. Oh it was ok when we fell about laughing as Valencia tossed around like a rag doll, or when he disappeared up his own arse after moving to City for a ludicrous amount of money, but now all of a sudden the left see they can use him as their new truncheon he’s suddenly Rosa £#%&!ing Parks. It’s all %@#$&!s.

Socialists keep talking about the debate we should be having in 2018, but a debate is the last thing they want. Apparently if you can’t ‘relate’ your opinion is irrelevant -unless you agree of course- , and should just shut up and listen to the sermon, the basis of which appears to be that accusation is the new evidence, and feelings are the new proof.

World’s gone mad.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 08:05 AM
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Any evidence would do. There is evidence they treat him badly. There is no evidence it’s bcause he is black. Or that the media are inherently racist. In fact the evidece is the opposite of that given the number of black people not unfairly stereotyped or maligned.
You're widening the issue far too much.

As mentioned in my previous post, it's a couple of papers and within that probably a couple of journalists. Sterling isn't saying BBC, SKY, BT Sports or the Guardian, Four Four Two magazine etc are racist media outlets. I'm sure he gets along fine with plenty of journos at the papers that have slandered him. He simply feels that the unfair treatment he has received has had racist undertones.

Given that this is a young lad who has been the victim of a racially motivated physical assault outside the training ground and been abused whilst playing at the weekend, it does feel a bit rich for you to be so dismissive of his judgement.

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Anyone on here who says they didn't think Sterling was a @#%&! before this weekend is just lying.
Speak for yourself, and if that's the case you need to consider growing up. I always assume people dishing stick to opposition players is a superficial, tribal routine. Any adult going around actively disliking people like Sterling really wants to consider getting their life together.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 08:06 AM
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Unread 11-12-2018, 08:09 AM
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I think most of the abuse of here was he was a bit gay. And then we were oh should he be ripped or bulked up?
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 08:12 AM
utd99
 
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Speak for yourself, and if that's the case you need to consider growing up. I always assume people dishing stick to opposition players is a superficial, tribal routine. Any adult going around actively disliking people like Sterling really wants to consider getting their life together.
Shut the £#%&! up you sanctimonious @#%&!.

You despise our manager despite never meeting the man. £#%&!ing hypocrite.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 08:20 AM
Hands of Scone
 
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You're widening the issue far too much.

As mentioned in my previous post, it's a couple of papers and within that probably a couple of journalists. Sterling isn't saying BBC, SKY, BT Sports or the Guardian, Four Four Two magazine etc are racist media outlets. I'm sure he gets along fine with plenty of journos at the papers that have slandered him. He simply feels that the unfair treatment he has received has had racist undertones.

Given that this is a young lad who has been the victim of a racially motivated physical assault outside the training ground and been abused whilst playing at the weekend, it does feel a bit rich for you to be so dismissive of his judgement.



Speak for yourself, and if that's the case you need to consider growing up. I always assume people dishing stick to opposition players is a superficial, tribal routine. Any adult going around actively disliking people like Sterling really wants to consider getting their life together.
Im not widening anything. Im attempting to broaden a few minds by the application of some thinking skills but that’s all.

Sterling is the one who mentioned “the media”, and the fools on here are have taken that up and run with the claim that “the media” is “institutionally racist”. Both of which are much bigger claims than your ‘one or two journalists’. Meanwhile, you can’t conflate actual real life actually and demonstrably racist incidents with the evidence and fact free claim that black footballers receive negative publicity because of racism.

As for the cop out phrase ‘racist undertones’ that’s simply another back stop for when those wishing to claim racism can’t find any actual racist content. At this point they then develop the magical ability to divine what was in the author’s thoughts when he penned the article with no overt racism “what he means is this (insert racist theory).

That this style of ‘argument’ is gaining acceptance stems from Foucault and deconstructionism with his insistence that all social relations are based on power not truth. People are used to idiots ‘feeling’ they can make unsubstantiated claims with no thought for accuracy that even an unbelievably privileged millionaire can generate sympathy for his oppression at the hands of power structures simply by playing the race card.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 08:23 AM
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Im not widening anything. Im attempting to broaden a few minds by the application of some thinking skills but that’s all.

Sterling is the one who mentioned “the media”, and the fools on here are have taken thta up and run with the claim that “the media” is “institutionally racist”. Both of which are much bigger claims than your ‘one or teo journalists’. Meanwhile, yiu can’t conflate actual real life racist incidents with the evidence and fact free claim of negative publicity because of racism.

As for the cop out phrase ‘racist undertones’ that’s simply another back stop for when those wishing to claim racism can’t find any actual racist content. At this point they then develop the magical ability to divine what was in the author’s thoughts when he penned the article with no overt racism “what he means is this (insert racist theory).

That this style of ‘argument’ is gaining acceptance stems from Foucault and l deconstructionism and his insistence that all social relations are based on power not truth. People are used now to idiots ‘feeling’ they can make unsubstantiated claims with no thought for accuracy.
some guy shouted racist abuse at him in public, maybe he's not right about the media being institutionally racist but what's the harm in calling them out? The media is more biased than the gen pop imho. Maybe they should look at themselves.
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 09:08 AM
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I was about to mention this earlier. He left the media darlings so was treated as an apostate.
Ashley Cole got all this too
 
Unread 11-12-2018, 09:16 AM
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Apparently the bloke accused of the racism is saying he shouted “ MANC @#%&!”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...black-one.html
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