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You're comparing him with Maldini and Cafu, that's a little unfair on Evra don't you think. Cafu and Maldini are arguably the two finest full backs of our generation. Use them as the benchmark, perhaps. But directly gauging Evra's quality by their standard? Bit harsh and pointless considering they're past their best too. Bit like digging at VDS because he's not as good as Schmeichel. More important is comparing him with the left backs of today and I really can't think of many more full backs I'd rather have than him. |
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Not seen much of Ramos, but a Gael Clichy better than Evra? You must be joking! He's only just holding down his place at Arse. The fact that you've named a CB playing out of position only proves how few other options there are. |
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Gallas? Doesn't want to play at full back, stroppy disruptive @#%&!. Clichy? Do me a favour.
As for Ramos - you single out Evra's positional play as a weakness and him being 'too' offensive. Have you actually seen Ramos when he's played right back? He has exactly the same faults. |
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Ramos played as right back and I would like to mention as an excellent right back for sevilla and in some performances for real too. clichy is year on year improving and getting the balance right between attacking and defending which evra still hasn't. I think it will be better to talk about evra a year on from now. lets see how much he would have done... |
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Yes, Clichy is improving, but still nowhere near as good as Evra/ Cole. So, you admit Cole does get exposed - even if it's not as much as Evra? And many consider Cole the best in the world. I don't want to drag this out and in essence I agree with the sentiment that Evra is flawed. He just needs to work on his positional sense and discipline. In the same way Ronaldo still needs to work on when to release the ball and his discpline. Or how Rooney needs to work on his heading and shooting accuracy. They're just flaws, but I'd harldy suggest that R and R are weak links. What you see as a weak link or liability, I see as minor flaws that are no big deal. |
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maradona was probably @#%&! of a man but a genious of a player. and yeah, I missed alves. affects of him being linked to chelsea probably. |
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Just out of interest Sharath, can you list all the genuine left backs who you rate higher than Evra ...
By genuine left back I mean not a centre back playing at left back, not a right back, - or not a left back who is playing his last season in professional football. I personally wouldn't have Ashley Cole if he was handed to us on a gold plate, good player no doubt, but not a Utd player at all. Heinze used to be good, but has deteriorated rapidly since his injury and is now the last person on earth I want to see in our shirt. A fit Zambrotta is one of the very few I would take over Paddy, and the lad who played for Italy in the WC looked OK from what little I saw. But other than those I can't say anyone else is really a great improvement on what we already have. You don't seem to rate Paddy, so just wondered who you'd want instead? |
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Clichy's final ball is very inconsistent at best and his medium and long range passing is often poor. He also gets too tight to his man and dives in too much, although this isn't as big an issue for him as it is for someone like Heinze, as Clichy has absolutely electric pace to recover (can still be exploited using a wall pass). Good player and he definitely seems to be steadily improving, but I wouldn't say he's better than Patrice at this point. Seems to be a bit injury prone too.
As Whalefish said, when Ramos plays at fullback he suffers from a lot of the same problems as Evra. He has good physical and technical qualities, but he gets caught out of position a lot and often gets too tight to his man. He also commits a lot of fouls. One advantage he does have over Evra is his height and aerial ability, so the ploy of isolating him with a deep diagonal ball doesn't work. Lots of potential and like Clichy is improving all the time, but not the finished article yet. Personally, I believe that being exposed to counterattacks is one of the prices you pay for playing attacking football. Of course you have to take measures to minimise that risk (unless you're Johan Cruyff), but the more focus you put on lessening it, the more you disrupt your attacking qualities. Arrigo Sacchi had arguably the greatest backline ever assembled at his disposal at Milan, and yet because he was committed to attacking football, both with and without the ball, he had to pioneer the use of the tactical foul to lessen their vulnerability to being caught on the break. When United go forward we'll often play with a 6:4 or even 7:3 balance of attacking to defensive players. There's no way to avoid being exposed if you do that. And if you want to play positive football like this, especially if you're a team like us who puts an emphasis on wing play, having fullbacks with good attacking qualities is vital. If someone like Heinze is playing it's very difficult to stop the opposition doubling up on our wide players. So I'd much rather have Evra in the team, with his ability to participate in the attacking build-up, overlap the wide player and then the pace and stamina to recover his position quickly when the ball is lost, than a more defensively oriented player, even against top class opposition. Yes, Evra may not always get the balance right between attack and defence, but for me his positive qualities more than outweigh the negatives. And it's not like he's a Dani Alves who you need to build your team around to allow him to play at fullback. |
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no wonder he will just roll across the tross which we usually play against in premiership but if we are looking to take that step beyond I am saying he should improve defensively very much. Quote:
granted I didn't watch all 38 games of sevilla but from what I have seen thats what I thought. |
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and it is all about having different opinions. will trolling through the forum to abuse people, try to improve english grammar too if you can. |
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