Premier League wages [are a disgrace] - from the BBC

individual sovereign tax laws are their own affairs. some states will always be more appealing to individual players than others.

the salary cap could be enforced in a number of ways, particularly by forcing each club to open their books.

it is completely obvious that the best result for each individual club would be for everyone to play by the rules while they themselves cheat. such is life.

more importantly, the wage cap is enforceable by unilateral action. United had a wage structure which they followed quite rigidly until around a decade ago. yes it was out of date. and yes it may have been a hinderance in attracting certain types of players. but since then it has spiralled almost out of control imo. time to rein it in again.

people kkep saying that this player or that player is loyal to his club. and people keep saying that football finances are out of control. well let's see then.

Originally Posted by Svens robotic nob

Exactly which planet are you on?

How are you going to force a privately owned entity to discuss it's finances, not just in the UK, but pan-Europe.

Are you insane?

As much as it is the right idea it is never in a million years going to be enforcable.

The US systems of sport work because it is one country. How on Earth are you going to get UEFA to sort things out?

also nearly all the US 'clubs' are franchises that can up and move city and they change ownership regularly

sport is pretty expensive to watch there in my experience and is so £#%&!ing commercialised compared to us its ridiculous

Originally Posted by Svens robotic nob

Exactly which planet are you on?

How are you going to force a privately owned entity to discuss it's finances, not just in the UK, but pan-Europe.

Are you insane?

As much as it is the right idea it is never in a million years going to be enforcable.

The US systems of sport work because it is one country. How on Earth are you going to get UEFA to sort things out?

we're talking about changing competition rules here. we have been since the start of the thread.

this can't do won't do %@#$&!s isn't helpful.


besides that though, i repeat, unilateral action could well prove to be the key to a successful change in habits and expectations for player wages. personally i think that any player who would rather change clubs than accept that his wages won't go above say 150k a week won't be missed. 150k a week is more than the PM gets in a year just to put that in perspective.

Originally Posted by Svens robotic nob

All these posts and yet nobody has come up with an answer to this.

How is the salary cap enforceable?

Firstly, will it be off gross or net wage, as we have so many different tax laws across the EU so it would make it extremely difficult to maintain a level playing field.

Secondly, do you honestly believe that players, clubs and agents would not set up offshore companies and be paid into there.

There will never be true transparency, it;s a utopia to have a salary cap, but will never be acheivable

there is no need for a salary cap per player, simply a cap on player earnings as a proportion of turnover and a requirement that clubs' operations are solvent. you control it at the club level, not the player level, so you check payments, not players' bank accounts. and tax levels would be irrelevant for this reason.

if clubs pay under the table then they are breaking the rules, just as they are if they bribe referees, and would face similar sanctions.

it's not difficult to set up. the will has to be there, simply.

Originally Posted by borsuk

there is no need for a salary cap per player, simply a cap on player earnings as a proportion of turnover and a requirement that clubs' operations are solvent. you control it at the club level, not the player level, so you check payments, not players' bank accounts. and tax levels would be irrelevant for this reason.

if clubs pay under the table then they are breaking the rules, just as they are if they bribe referees, and would face similar sanctions.

it's not difficult to set up. the will has to be there, simply.

the tax difference isn't irrelevant though

if you can be paid the same amount here as in Spain then you take home more in Spain net

this would actually exacerbate the current disparity as in real terms the Spanish salary capped total goes further

Originally Posted by borsuk

there is no need for a salary cap per player, simply a cap on player earnings as a proportion of turnover and a requirement that clubs' operations are solvent. you control it at the club level, not the player level, so you check payments, not players' bank accounts. and tax levels would be irrelevant for this reason.

if clubs pay under the table then they are breaking the rules, just as they are if they bribe referees, and would face similar sanctions.

it's not difficult to set up. the will has to be there, simply.

So Sheik Mansouer or Roman or the Spanish Government then sponsor their clubs shirts with £#%&!ing huge sponsorship sums, club turnover increases massively

Salary cap circumnavigated thankyaverymuch

Originally Posted by Svens robotic nob

I am more than award that it will take all clubs to abide by the rules, but it will be so unenforceable that anarchy will break out within football clubs.

You live in cloud cuckoo land, you really do. Human nature is based in some part on greed, how the hell do you prevent that?

That's a very sweeping statement. It's debatable as to whether human nature, in the terms you describe it, even exists at all.

Jurors will ignore those remarks. Strike them from the record please.

Originally Posted by florentino ariza

the tax difference isn't irrelevant though

if you can be paid the same amount here as in Spain then you take home more in Spain net

this would actually exacerbate the current disparity as in real terms the Spanish salary capped total goes further

the tax difference is irrelevant in terms of setting a cap relative to turnover, it does not affect the clubs but the players.

certain locations will always be more attractive to certain players, whether because of language, culture, tax regimes, weather or whatever. you're not going to change that, and i don't see why anyone should want to. however you can prevent an extremely rich individual taking a club and turning it into a little toy for his ego, which i believe can effectively render sporting competition a laughing stock.

Originally Posted by Mao's Favourite Starling

So Sheik Mansouer or Roman or the Spanish Government then sponsor their clubs shirts with £#%&!ing huge sponsorship sums, club turnover increases massively

Salary cap circumnavigated thankyaverymuch

yeah, clever. they'll never see through that one.

ffs.

Originally Posted by borsuk

the tax difference is irrelevant in terms of setting a cap relative to turnover, it does not affect the clubs but the players.

certain locations will always be more attractive to certain players, whether because of language, culture, tax regimes, weather or whatever. you're not going to change that, and i don't see why anyone should want to. however you can prevent an extremely rich individual taking a club and turning it into a little toy for his ego, which i believe can effectively render sporting competition a laughing stock.

yeah, clever. they'll never see through that one.

ffs.

you could effectively disadvantage whole countries

and basing it on turnover is ludicrous. it will not stop the bigger clubs getting even bigger then

you might as well say the teams with most supporters and biggest stadiums can always spend the most. it creates a bigger divide rather than solving it

plus turnover is no good if you're still spending twice that much elsewhere

Originally Posted by borsuk

yeah, clever. they'll never see through that one.

ffs.

They can see through it until the cows come home, it doesn't mean they can stop one legitimate business sponsoring another


FFS

My point was there will be countless ways for somebody with the necessary motivation (such as an Arab Sheikh who buys a team from a totally different country, with the sole intention of pumping money into it in order to create a successful side) to get around the 'rules'

But as usual, your massive ego cannot entertain the fact that someone has a differing viewpoint to yourself! Is it any wonder so many people on here hate you