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Unread 22-03-2020, 11:23 PM
92ToBury
 
Default Talking point: Did Ryan Giggs under-achieve?

Sounds ludicrous on the face of it; I appreciate he provided balance to Kanchelskis, then Beckham then Ronaldo down the left. I am not trying to undermine the service he has given to us. But this is the point; do you ever think he saw the output of Ronaldo and felt like he hadn't scored enough?

His first full season he scored 7 goals in 51 games. Two years later we won the double and in 58 games he scored 17 goals. At the time I thought, great, because we had Cantona and Hughes up front; neither were prolific but you felt that the three of them would get 50-60 between them. Unfortunately it wasn't to be the case. Ryan would never score 15 goals in a season for us again, breaking double figures on only three more occasions.

Yes, there's that goal in April 99, the one against Juventus, etc but for sheer goal output, given the talent and pace, is it unreasonable to say that he could have been a lot better? While Ronaldo will go down as one of the greatest of all time, Ryan won't. He'll quite rightly be acknowledged as a great player and club legend, but arguably should have been more. He could take an excellent free kick, he could beat a man with his eyes shut and he's "one of us" but looking at Ronaldo's output, shouldn't Ryan have been scoring 20 goals a season at least a few times in his career?

Looking forward to a sensible discussion but fearing the worst.
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:28 PM
Ethers
 
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Well yes, if youíre going to base your entire argument on goals, he probably could have scored a few more. Iím not really sure thatís worthy of a debate, itís more like stating the obvious.

Of course, there was far more to his game than just goals, so judging him on that is absolutely ludicrous
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:33 PM
Switching Off
 
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Yeah, same as Scholes, who I recently learned only won player of the month twice. Must be gutted.
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:35 PM
ZiggyStardust
 
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During his time wide players were about being creators rather than goal scorers
Now itís the opposite

Look at other top wide players of his generation like Figo, they didnít have great goal scoring records either
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:38 PM
92ToBury
 
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During his time wide players were about being creators rather than goal scorers
Now itís the opposite

Look at other top wide players of his generation like Figo, they didnít have great goal scoring records either
Compared to Beckham, Giggs doesn't have a decent assist record either. Maybe he wasn't the same after his first hamstring tear and we expected too much?
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:41 PM
Ethers
 
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Compared to Beckham, Giggs doesn't have a decent assist record either. Maybe he wasn't the same after his first hamstring tear and we expected too much?
He holds the Premier League All-Time Assists record by miles
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:41 PM
tatty
 
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He was absolutely dynamite those first 2 or 3 seasons, especially the 92/93 season I think where he scored some belters.

He was still fantastic after that but perhaps never quite hit the heights I thought he would.

Feels a bit churlish to be saying it though.
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:42 PM
dunk
 
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He was f***ing brilliant tbh.
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:45 PM
92ToBury
 
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He holds the Premier League All-Time Assists record by miles
Holds the appearance record by miles too. No coincidence. He was part of the best midfield I've ever seen. Always sad that Zidane was the best midfielder I'd ever seen but I wouldn't sign him while we had that four.

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He was absolutely dynamite those first 2 or 3 seasons, especially the 92/93 season I think where he scored some belters.

He was still fantastic after that but perhaps never quite hit the heights I thought he would.

Feels a bit churlish to be saying it though.
Pretty much my basis for the thread. Worse than an international break this shutdown.
 
Unread 22-03-2020, 11:46 PM
Sparky***
 
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I think if the last couple of years have taught us anything it's that if anything the likes of Giggs and Scholes are under-rated.

Giggs got every last drop out of his career and talent, he is the benchmark for longevity and professionalism, nobody in english football comes close.
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