Everton deducted 10 points

Originally Posted by Zorg

Pah. Crazy talk.

Seriously though, I agree, the premier league is a complete mess. They've allowed English football to be trampled all over.

In a way it's quite handy though that Everton have got this punishment as it's increased the attention and outrage on city , and will make it much, much harder for them to sweep it under the carpet by fining them ten bob and a pickled egg. Everyone hates city now and wants them destroyed.

I kinda liked it when it was just us, and everyone else simply ignored them

Originally Posted by croady26

City know their lawyers will get them off charges,they might as well just laugh in the face of authority because nothing will happen

Most of the Bert’s serious charges relate to obstruction or non cooperation

They have to throw the book even harder for that to create any deterent

It’s similar to getting a longer ban for failing to blow than being 10 points over the legal limit.

Until the outrage from Everton, I was certain not a lot would happen to City. Now though, there's no £#%&!ing way City just gat 10 points and a fine.

Salivating at the thought of their titles being rubbed out.

Originally Posted by magic_cantona

Until the outrage from Everton, I was certain not a lot would happen to City. Now though, there's no £#%&!ing way City just gat 10 points and a fine.

Salivating at the thought of their titles being rubbed out.

At the very least. They'll be relegated imo, but only one division as anything else is entirely at the discretion of the EFL.

There'll be a tsunami of clubs suing them, Baldiola will drop them like a dog egg, and with any luck they'll be on the phone begging Keegan to come back in with Curly Watts as his assistant before you can say 'blue ketchup'.

Originally Posted by red red robbo

I kinda liked it when it was just us, and everyone else simply ignored them

It was more fun wasn't it.

Although it's funny how they won the Treble and basically nobody cared. Just a collective shrug, because everyone knows they're just plastic oil @#%&! cheats.

Crazy that Everton fans are fighting this like they are and putting attention on the richer clubs purposefully breaking rules. If there's one thing that scousers have a history of taking lying down, it's injustice...

Still think that nothing much will happen to City in the end, and that they'll get the charges whittled down to next to nothing and face a minor points deduction and maybe a transfer ban, and then nail the PR championing it as a win and proof they did nothing wrong.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Everton seek to harness ‘fuel’ of points penalty as fans plan series of protests



Hope when they say 'entire crowd' that includes the away end.

Can fully understand Evertonians anger at this, it was their previous ownership that has got them in this £#%&!ed up position, the same ownership that a lot of Everton fans have been protesting against for years. Then the owner that got them into this mess flogged the club to an investment firm and £#%&!ed off before this punishment hit. What £#%&!ing good does that do? The person that the Premier League thought was a fit owner and got them into this mess has long gone ffs.

If the Premier League did it's job properly then it's quite possible that Moshiri wouldn't have been able to put Everton into the position where they get given the "biggest sporting sanction in Premier League history". Although if the Premier League did it's job properly then there wouldn't be oil states owning a number of Premier League clubs, and we wouldn't have the Glazers embedded into our club like tiks.

It’s their current ownership that got them into this position

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

It’s their current ownership that got them into this position

Moshiri sold the club to 777 back in September this year, the offences occurred in the 21-22 season when Moshiri owned the club.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Moshiri sold the club to 777 back in September this year, the offences occurred in the 21-22 season when Moshiri owned the club.

He accepted a bid in September, he is still the owner as the bid hasn’t been ratified and there’s a good chance it won’t be

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

He accepted a bid in September, he is still the owner as the bid hasn’t been ratified and there’s a good chance it won’t be

An agreement to sell the club has been agreed and signed. Not sure why that changes any of the points I was making tbh

Originally Posted by Patty_b

An agreement to sell the club has been agreed and signed. Not sure why that changes any of the points I was making tbh

Because the owner that got them in this mess hasn’t flogged the club and £#%&!ed off, yet

Originally Posted by Ethers

Because the owner that got them in this mess hasn’t flogged the club and £#%&!ed off, yet

He has flogged the club, he just hasn't £#%&!ed off yet. Which wasn't even a point and just an observation, which doesn't actually change the point of it being the fans that are being £#%&!ed over.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Can fully understand Evertonians anger at this, it was their previous ownership that has got them in this £#%&!ed up position, the same ownership that a lot of Everton fans have been protesting against for years. Then the owner that got them into this mess flogged the club to an investment firm and £#%&!ed off before this punishment hit. What £#%&!ing good does that do? The person that the Premier League thought was a fit owner and got them into this mess has long gone ffs.

Originally Posted by Patty_b

He has flogged the club, he just hasn't £#%&!ed off yet. Which wasn't even a point and just an observation, which doesn't actually change the point of it being the fans that are being £#%&!ed over.

Clearly my mistake for assuming your point was about the ownership group

Originally Posted by Chris Quayd

Clearly my mistake for assuming your point was about the ownership group

Probably because you didn't read the part of the post that you didn't quote

If the sale was ratified before punishment hit, would they have escaped punishment?

No.

Shit owners that the fans hate buying and owning clubs with backing from the Premier League, and then £#%&!ing them up, and it's the fans that suffer because of it. Or oil states buying clubs as political tools with backing from the Premier League, that then go on to break rules and try to rewrite the rulebook for their own benefit with no care as to what it can and will do to the sport as a whole. That was the point, not that the sale of Everton F.C has been ratified and is final. Thought that was pretty obvious tbf.

Whether the sale has been ratified or not at this time has no impact on any of that, rather it seems to be just pedantry for the sake of it.

Originally Posted by Zorg

At the very least. They'll be relegated imo, but only one division as anything else is entirely at the discretion of the EFL.

There'll be a tsunami of clubs suing them, Baldiola will drop them like a dog egg, and with any luck they'll be on the phone begging Keegan to come back in with Curly Watts as his assistant before you can say 'blue ketchup'.



It was more fun wasn't it.

Although it's funny how they won the Treble and basically nobody cared. Just a collective shrug, because everyone knows they're just plastic oil @#%&! cheats.

You mean the bastion of virtue who was accused of being a drug cheat during his playing career and was manager of Barca whilst they were paying off refs left, right and centre and is probably getting at least two different wage packets paid to him now?

When they're found guilty, there's no way they can keep their titles is there?

They cheated during *this season* and won the league and FA Cup = points deduction but keep the titles they won via cheating? It's impossible isn't it?

Originally Posted by Time For Heroes

You mean the bastion of virtue who was accused of being a drug cheat during his playing career and was manager of Barca whilst they were paying off refs left, right and centre and is probably getting at least two different wage packets paid to him now?

Yes

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Probably because you didn't read the part of the post that you didn't quote

If the sale was ratified before punishment hit, would they have escaped punishment?

No.

Shit owners that the fans hate buying and owning clubs with backing from the Premier League, and then £#%&!ing them up, and it's the fans that suffer because of it. Or oil states buying clubs as political tools with backing from the Premier League, that then go on to break rules and try to rewrite the rulebook for their own benefit with no care as to what it can and will do to the sport as a whole. That was the point, not that the sale of Everton F.C has been ratified and is final. Thought that was pretty obvious tbf.

Whether the sale has been ratified or not at this time has no impact on any of that, rather it seems to be just pedantry for the sake of it.

You are absolutely all over the place and most of your points are either wrong or a contradiction of what you have previously strongly implied. For starters Everton fans welcomed Moshiri in with open arms and he has invested huge sums of money including on a new stadium. That he has spent it very badly is not something that the Premier League or anybody else could reasonably have foreseen.

Even their recent protests over the last year or so have been against the board more than the ownership, they despised Kenwright for what they perceived as meddling in football issues and for bizarre statements attacking the fans. They wanted Moshiri to replace the board, not be replaced.

The only point you managed to get right is that Everton fans have a right to feel aggrieved for what seems like a disproportionate punishment by the Premier League but if you did a bit more research then you'd know that 777 Partners are an even worse ownership group than Moshiri and that there is a good chance they won't be approved as owners due to both a lack of funds and not meeting the very low bar for the Owners & Directors' Test.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Yes

What I'm getting at is that he has said in the past when questioned about this that he would leave if there was any cheating going on and he's one of the biggest around.

Originally Posted by magic_cantona

When they're found guilty, there's no way they can keep their titles is there?

They cheated during *this season* and won the league and FA Cup = points deduction but keep the titles they won via cheating? It's impossible isn't it?

It's also the fact that by cheating, they won these titles and this helped them to attract Haaland, Rodri and the others which they couldn't have done if they had been a mid-table club.

Originally Posted by Time For Heroes

What I'm getting at is that he has said in the past when questioned about this that he would leave if there was any cheating going on and he's one of the biggest around.

Ah, yes I agree. But there's no way he'll stick around, in fact he's probably got a plan in place involving a safety deposit box, fake Bolivian passport and a fake moustache.

Originally Posted by Zorg

Pah. Crazy talk.

Seriously though, I agree, the premier league is a complete mess. They've allowed English football to be trampled all over.

In a way it's quite handy though that Everton have got this punishment as it's increased the attention and outrage on city , and will make it much, much harder for them to sweep it under the carpet by fining them ten bob and a pickled egg. Everyone hates city now and wants them destroyed.

I thang yew.