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I've sang about Heysel plenty of times so it's hypocritical but with each passing year it becomes more tenous. It's not like singing about it has any chance of bringing about any actual justice, it was almost 40 years ago and we should probably stop using deaths that we're not particularly arsed about to score points. The main issue with tragedy chanting is not moral but practical. Chanting just about anything is better than silence but we have such an excellent repertoire of songs that don't get an airing and if used would improve the atmosphere further and in rare instances even help the shit@#%&!s out on the pitch. |
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exactly. No, it's not mate. Not anymore. It hasn't been that for a long time. |
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This movement to be offended by anything and everything is ridiculous. People need to grow up and just get one with their lives. Whatever happened to sticks and stones? They're just words. Most people weren't there or weren't closely effected by the tragedies. If I see someone chanting Munich my first instinct isn't to run to the police and complain that someone hurt my feelings. I'd probably just think they're a pathetic bunch of @#%&!s.
Equally, I can't imagine chanting about tragedies to score points. I get that alcohol and tribalism take over but it's not really for me. |
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3 Arsenal fans banned for tragedy chanting It's pathetic |
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Have sung some pretty rum stuff as a youth, but wouldn't these days, it's odd to me when you see the videos of fully grown middle aged men doing "fence faces" etc.....
The two and fro'ing and grassing from all sets of supporters though is odd.... "Yeah but they had a Munich flag in the away end in 85" "Murderers is actually about herself" "Hillsborough still ricochets through Hutton every day" "Our tragedy is WORSE" "LOOK AT THIS VIDEO he's doing the arms" Etc etc.... It's all just a bit £#%&!ing weird.... |
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Football creates an artificial, aggressive atmosphere by taking away the threat of consequences. People say and do stupid stuff when separated by a line of coppers. I've sat in hundreds of pubs with City and Liverpool fans watching derbies and hardly seen a punch thrown because the threat of getting stoved in if you go over the top is real. Split people up with a fence and they get very hard, very quick. Don't sing any song that includes the words 'the Sun was right'.
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It's incredible the amount of "such awful behaviour! We would NEVER!" attitudes from Scouse quarters. Also, the absolute balls on the to:
A) pretend "Murderers" is about Hillsborough and B) Pretend they never sing anything terrible, ever. The chants aren't for me, don't find them funny but they are Murderers so that one gets a pass and isn't Tragedy Chanting. Anyone over the age of 10 that thinks Hillsborough or Munich or Istanbul is funny needs £#%&!ing. |
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I wasn’t at the match but on tv it sounded like thousands were at it with ‘The Sun was right’.
I can’t think of anything I’ve cringed at more, but then I’ve long since given up on most of our fans. The Red Ish Boris masks/pics all those years ago was a rare mis-step from them but nowadays…..people are just so £#%&!ing thick and have been conditioned that ‘trolling’ is hysterical. They’ll sing it without a thought. Like we’re Southampton or something. I’d ban any singing about LFC personally because the obsession/inferiority complex so many reds have is incredibly boring. |
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Will admit to having sung the worst of them as a younger man years ago, before I pretty much grew up and got a sense of perspective.
Using the deaths of people to try to rile thousands of unrelated people years afterwards is pathetic. At the same time, whingeing to the police because somebody sang a tasteless song is pathetic. The whole “he said she said” tit for tat nature of it is pathetic. Using the resources of an underfunded police force to arrest and prosecute people for singing a tasteless song is pathetic. Even the phrase “tragedy chanting” is pathetic. It just feels like a crowbarred term because they couldn’t think of a name for the “offence” which sounded suitably criminal. Basically the whole thing is pathetic. But I’ll still back anybody who sings “always the victim”, no matter how much the lying bastards try to con people to believe it’s about Hillsborough. If anything, them trying to do so just proves the point of that song a hundred times over. |
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