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Originally Posted by 92ToBury

Takes us back to square one which is that the problem lies with the owners and their stooge Woodward.

Definitely.

After all they’re the people that have hired 4 completely different managers in 6-7 years and allowed each of them free reign over rebuilding the squad, spending millions and millions in the process.

All the talk of a ‘cultural reboot’ or what ever it is, is just complete balls and would any one be surprised if in the summer they don’t take another change in direction, hire some past it European coach and let him sign a load of mercenaries that are only here for one last pay day?

Van Gaal said it himself there’s no footballing structure or footballing people at the club. Is there any wonder that the footballing side of the club is on its arse and has been in decline since the only footballing bloke with power at the club retired 7 years ago.

Edit- tbf it was on the decline before he retired but his ability made up for it.

Originally Posted by AK14

Definitely.

After all they’re the people that have hired 4 completely different managers in 6-7 years and allowed each of them free reign over rebuilding the squad, spending millions and millions in the process.

All the talk of a ‘cultural reboot’ or what ever it is, is just complete balls and would any one be surprised if in the summer they don’t take another change in direction, hire some past it European coach and let him sign a load of mercenaries that are only here for one last pay day?

Van Gaal said it himself there’s no footballing structure or footballing people at the club. Is there any wonder that the footballing side of the club is on its arse and has been in decline since the only footballing bloke with power at the club retired 7 years ago.

Without a Director of Football we’re going to remain in the wilderness unfortunately.

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

What do you think went wrong with Jose, then? Not an inexperienced chap for sure.

Honestly? What always goes wrong with Jose - when he feels he's not being backed, he implodes and goes down swinging.

The revisionism is a problem. We actually played some pretty good football under Mourinho in 2017/18 scored 4 goals in about 10 games that season as well, had the best defence in the league and finished with a decent 81 points (6 clear of the current runaway league leaders). We weren't close enough to City but it was progress. 3 cup finals in 2 seasons and finished 2nd, the highest since Fergie left....

The problems arose summer 2018 when Mourinho wanted players to go that next step, to really challenge City. For some reason Woodward had an issue with the players Mourinho had identified and decided it would be a great idea to brief the press behind Mourinho's back as to why he wasn't getting them.

Cue the inevitable.. mourinho feels slighted, instead of the centre back and the attacking midfielder he wanted he gets Fred, Dalot and Lee Grant and the meltdown ensues all entirely of Woodward's making. The guy is an absolute back-stabbing worm, see the interview with Evra to see what kind of cockroach you're dealing with.

Originally Posted by 92ToBury

Without a Director of Football we’re going to remain in the wilderness unfortunately.

Without Direction of Football.

It doesn't matter who does it. It doesn't have to be one all-powerful bloke in a cape to save us all and we're deluded if we think there is one.

Owners need to take more of an interest, listen to advice from all sides, get better football advisors. Manager whoever he is will never get a free open chequebook and at any well-run club they don't.

Basically owners need to go £#%&! themselves. Not going to happen though.

Rumour has it hes watching the game tonight, with his mate in Portugal pissing himself.

No matter how shit United are at the moment no doubt its a step up from Sporting £#%&!ing Lisbon

I would guess that he is holding out for a move to one of the big boys (or the tier just below) in the summer.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Honestly? What always goes wrong with Jose - when he feels he's not being backed, he implodes and goes down swinging.

The revisionism is a problem. We actually played some pretty good football under Mourinho in 2017/18 scored 4 goals in about 10 games that season as well, had the best defence in the league and finished with a decent 81 points (6 clear of the current runaway league leaders). We weren't close enough to City but it was progress. 3 cup finals in 2 seasons and finished 2nd, the highest since Fergie left....

The problems arose summer 2018 when Mourinho wanted players to go that next step, to really challenge City. For some reason Woodward had an issue with the players Mourinho had identified and decided it would be a great idea to brief the press behind Mourinho's back as to why he wasn't getting them.

Cue the inevitable.. mourinho feels slighted, instead of the centre back and the attacking midfielder he wanted he gets Fred, Dalot and Lee Grant and the meltdown ensues all entirely of Woodward's making. The guy is an absolute back-stabbing worm, see the interview with Evra to see what kind of cockroach you're dealing with.

Talk about rose tinted glasses

Originally Posted by barca99

Rumour has it hes watching the game tonight, with his mate in Portugal pissing himself.

No matter how shit United are at the moment no doubt its a step up from Sporting £#%&!ing Lisbon

I would guess that he is holding out for a move to one of the big boys (or the tier just below) in the summer.

Originally Posted by puressence

So hes gong to stay at Sporting his whole life, suuuuuure

Some of the football under Van Gaal was dire and it became tough to watch. Mourinho's was slightly better or even half decent for a spell until Pogba got injured then it went to shit and he also served up some dire football. At least with Ole there seems to be a plan.

My main issue with him is he's covering for the Glazers. Not a chance in private is he happy with the size of the squad.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Honestly? What always goes wrong with Jose - when he feels he's not being backed, he implodes and goes down swinging.

The revisionism is a problem. We actually played some pretty good football under Mourinho in 2017/18 scored 4 goals in about 10 games that season as well, had the best defence in the league and finished with a decent 81 points (6 clear of the current runaway league leaders). We weren't close enough to City but it was progress. 3 cup finals in 2 seasons and finished 2nd, the highest since Fergie left....

The problems arose summer 2018 when Mourinho wanted players to go that next step, to really challenge City. For some reason Woodward had an issue with the players Mourinho had identified and decided it would be a great idea to brief the press behind Mourinho's back as to why he wasn't getting them.

Cue the inevitable.. mourinho feels slighted, instead of the centre back and the attacking midfielder he wanted he gets Fred, Dalot and Lee Grant and the meltdown ensues all entirely of Woodward's making. The guy is an absolute back-stabbing worm, see the interview with Evra to see what kind of cockroach you're dealing with.

Yeah, he did a great job.

not sure how anyone expects the manager of the team to out the owners .

Originally Posted by puressence

not sure how anyone expects the manager of the team to out the owners .

I agree to a certain point. It's his dream job so atm he isn't going to speak out. It will change though if they don't back him.

I suppose my point was I don't have to many gripes with his overall management. After Mourinho United needed someone to bring them together and create a team, as in a team who are together and I think he is doing that.

Mourinho ended up poisonous.

Originally Posted by MUFC One Love

Some of the football under Van Gaal was dire and it became tough to watch. Mourinho's was slightly better or even half decent for a spell until Pogba got injured then it went to shit and he also served up some dire football. At least with Ole there seems to be a plan.

My main issue with him is he's covering for the Glazers. Not a chance in private is he happy with the size of the squad.

Care to share? Not sure hitting on the counter is much of a plan.

Both LvG and Mou had clear plans. They had very mixed success but it was still clear what each of their plans were. Ole's plan so far reminds me of Moyes' "play it down the channel and get the cross in" plan.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Care to share? Not sure hitting on the counter is much of a plan.

Both LvG and Mou had clear plans. They had very mixed success but it was still clear what each of their plans were. Ole's plan so far reminds me of Moyes' "play it down the channel and get the cross in" plan.

Seems to be working OK for the scousers

Originally Posted by Patty_b

Seems to be working OK for the scousers

Having crosses from the wings as part of your plan is not the same as it being your only plan.

Originally Posted by shenwen

Having crosses from the wings as part of your plan is not the same as it being your only plan.

We've scored 36 goals in the League so far, how many can you remember that were from crosses?

Rashford header against Newcastle, Martial header against Norwich. There's probably more but to state it's the "only plan" is patently %@#$&!s.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

Honestly? What always goes wrong with Jose - when he feels he's not being backed, he implodes and goes down swinging.

The revisionism is a problem. We actually played some pretty good football under Mourinho in 2017/18 scored 4 goals in about 10 games that season as well, had the best defence in the league and finished with a decent 81 points (6 clear of the current runaway league leaders). We weren't close enough to City but it was progress. 3 cup finals in 2 seasons and finished 2nd, the highest since Fergie left....

The problems arose summer 2018 when Mourinho wanted players to go that next step, to really challenge City. For some reason Woodward had an issue with the players Mourinho had identified and decided it would be a great idea to brief the press behind Mourinho's back as to why he wasn't getting them.

Cue the inevitable.. mourinho feels slighted, instead of the centre back and the attacking midfielder he wanted he gets Fred, Dalot and Lee Grant and the meltdown ensues all entirely of Woodward's making. The guy is an absolute back-stabbing worm, see the interview with Evra to see what kind of c**kroach you're dealing with.

He signed enough players to have nearly a whole new team.

He was pursuing **** signings. One of whom was to presumably replace one of the two centrebacks he'd already signed

Perisic, William, Maguire, Diet weren't the players to challenge City. Just like Lindelof, Matic and Lukaku weren't

Originally Posted by MUFC One Love

I agree to a certain point. It's his dream job so atm he isn't going to speak out. It will change though if they don't back him.

I suppose my point was I don't have to many gripes with his overall management. After Mourinho United needed someone to bring them together and create a team, as in a team who are together and I think he is doing that.

Mourinho ended up poisonous.

No it wont.

Wolves I think it is 1st Feb?

Lets see what he has to say in the press conference before that when we have signed £#%&!ing no one and Martial is injured.

Originally Posted by barca99

No it wont.

Wolves I think it is 1st Feb?

Lets see what he has to say in the press conference before that when we have signed £#%&!ing no one and Martial is injured.

What exactly do you expect him to do or say? He was employed to carry out a role under certain conditions. If he wants to keep the role, that he clearly loves btw, then he has to work to those conditions. At no point is he going to resign in a blaze of glory slagging all and sundry, and if he did reach the point he'd had enough, there will be NDA's and what not preventing him from going in on the owners, nqat. Then there's the fact that if he did turn on the owners and club and do as you seem to wish, then we wouldn't be able to find a manager worth their salt prepared to take on the role anywhere.

He's battling previous manager's shite decisions and squad building, a shit, threadbare squad, a hugely inflated transfer market, a skint club, an inept 'Director of Football', major injuries to 3 of the 5 decent players he has and a hugely spoiled and unrealistic fan base.

He's doing a very decent job tbh.

If he bolsters the squad with a few signings and it's as shit next season, then we need to start thinking about moving him on.

Originally Posted by Ranier Wolfcastle

He signed enough players to have nearly a whole new team.

He was pursuing **** signings. One of whom was to presumably replace one of the two centrebacks he'd already signed

Perisic, William, Maguire, Diet weren't the players to challenge City. Just like Lindelof, Matic and Lukaku weren't

What you monumentally fail to grasp here is that whether those players aren't good enough or not (in your opinion - and mine probably) we were paying a very experienced, previously highly successful manager £12m a year to create a team to challenge city and HE thought those were the correct players. Woodward went out of his way to undermine him, so the manager turned gangster.

Mourinho was a sour, toxic presence at United at the end and you could argue that living in a hotel showed no intention of him ever being here for the long run but Woodward must accept some blame. The manager is paid to mould a side on and off the pitch with the ability and mentality to succeed. If he isn't allowed to he has every right to feel slighted. EW is a bean counter with absolutely no experience in creating a football team and should £#%&! off forthwith.

Oh and pay your £3 a month you @#%&!bag.