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Fergie worked successfully with Edwards and the PLC, and the Glazers. Working with the Glazers and Woodward isn’t £#%&!ing impossible. |
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Depends if your definition of successful is signing obertan, owen and valencia to replace Ronaldo tbf. Fergie was successful in spite of those @#%&!s, not because of. His own 'philosophy' became more and more negative during his final few seasons precisely because we wouldn't splash out on a hazard, or an aguero or whoever to keep up with the rest. He got a tune out of a pretty much out of contract RVP which was his swansong. |
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What’s a ‘significant’ transfer these days; anything 15m quid and above? Fair? These are Klopp’s: Mane Wijnaldum Van Dijk Salah Oxlade Camberlain Allison Keita Fabinho. That’s it. That’s all of them. To which he threw in a few lower level buys like Robertson and Shakquiri. He was also able to ship out pretty much all the dross from the previous regimes; Benteke, Balotelli, Toure etc. You say 8th, but that was less than a season after he took over Rodgers shit show. From there, they’ve been making nothing but slow gradual progress, points wise and what our eyes tell us. This is the truth; we hate it; it’s what we should be doing; and banging on about Steven £#%&!ing Caulker’s three games is just a smoke and mirrors act. |
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Fact is he did. The point about Caulker is that even super star Jürgen Klopp has made strange decisions, but Liverpool’s board kept faith. Our board wouldn’t have kept faith with him. They wouldn’t have allowed him the time to get it right I’m not disputing we shouldn’t do what they do. I’m saying as long as we have the current people running the club that we won’t do it. Now that doesn’t mean outer managers haven’t made mistakes, of course they have. You also say he cleared the deck of deadwood or poisonous attitudes, yet here we are with the likes of Jones, Young, Shaw, Martial, Rojo etc all given new contracts over the last 12-18 months. Our managers are not allowed to move these players because it’s cheaper for the board to keep these on than sign replacements along with signings players that obviously needed to get us to the next level. |
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Not defending him by any means but in his three full seasons: 2016/2017 - 4th in the league (4 places above the previous year) 2017/2018 - 4th again and reached a CL final 2018/2019 - probably runner up in the league but will win the CL. Why would we not have kept faith with him? That's a pretty good record and has shown progress year on year along with the way in which they play football. Also got to a UEFA cup final too in his first season (in which he joined mid season) in which they finished 8th. |
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That wouldn’t have happened here imo. Woodward would tell him to get the best out of Rojo. Tell him he can’t sign another GK because he’s already had Karius. Signed players for their marketability over players that would fit Klopp system. Are we honestly saying that IF Klopp had signed for us we’d be in a similar situation as the scousers now? He’s a good manager obviously, but just like any manager he needs the support and structure in place to succeed. We haven’t got that here IMO. |
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Whether it was 5m or 50m, he bought players for his first team who turned out to be duds and was allowed to replace them. It’s in no way a defence of Mourinho or Van Gaal time here. It’s stating a fact that he did do what you said he didn’t. And it was obviously the right decision to allow him to have done it. I have my doubts he’d have been given the same trust with our board. As much as I absolutely love discussing how great Klopp and Liverpool are at the moment pal, I think I’ll leave it there. |
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You’re giving the game a way a bit by saying things like “superstar Klopp”, when really all we should be talking about is good decisions versus bad decisions; they type that leave one team 30 points behind another. It’s got nothing to do with being a fan-boy, or bigging anyone up. |
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What the £#%&!s happening in this thread?
Scan read it and it’s a full blown debate on wether Klopp has done well? Yes he has, it’s never looked like he wasn’t improving their team. Now, back to Martial. If there’s a buyer and we can get a replacement with a good chance sell him now, if not give him another year. |
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He seems to be one of the few players we have who has undeniable ability, but is just not producing for some reason. I'd also include Bailly and Fred in that. Maybe Rashford as well. If we replace the truly shit players like Lukaku and Sanchez, and the worn out ones like Young and Matic, and replace them with players with a mentality that the manager and DoF can implement, then I think Martial and co. could produce what they're capable of more consistently. |
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Liverpool have a structure above Klopp that means he isn’t solely responsible for transfers. They buy players as a club because they all understand what they’re looking for. They know their manager and they know the style of play.
Apparently Klopp wasn’t sold on Salah. He wanted someone else from Germany. It really helps when other people at the club know football too. |
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It wouldn’t have worked out for him here, Just like it won’t work out for Ole unless there’s a drastic change in how we operate. Anyway, apparently Martial missed training today? |
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