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Unread 30-01-2008, 12:36 AM
toseeunited
 
Exclamation Season Ticket price increases again this May!!

Without this turning into another "I said the Glazers would raise the prices" etc etc thread - I wanted to pass on info that has been passed out of OT today...

After my other thread: http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64264 something else was mentioned in the conversation...

ST's going up by 15% come renewal time, and ACS is here to stay.

Obsiously hopefully this is %@#$&!s, but my £722 ST will now be £108.30 more expensive meaning I have to find £830.30 before ACS
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 12:40 AM
Crumps
 
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Farewell Old Trafford from me then in May.
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 12:41 AM
balmufc1
 
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What would the price bee for Tier 2
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 12:53 AM
toseeunited
 
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What would the price bee for Tier 2
if they do 15% across the board yours would be up just under a hundred quid to: £721.05
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 12:56 AM
Ed Sullivan
 
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Erm...how much percent is that in 3 seasons now?
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 01:02 AM
toseeunited
 
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Erm...how much percent is that in 3 seasons now?
since the glazers it's been:

06/07 11%
07/08 11%
08/09 15%
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 01:03 AM
Ed Sullivan
 
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Originally Posted by toseeunited
since the glazers it's been:

06/07 11%
07/08 11%
08/09 15%
Are you sure they were both 11%, I thought another was 15. Anyway...

so 36% + ACS.

Can anyone tell me the 3 rises from the 3 seasons before that?
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 01:04 AM
toseeunited
 
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Are you sure they were both 11%, I thought another was 15. Anyway...

so 36% + ACS.

Can anyone tell me the 3 rises from the 3 seasons before that?
you've made me think i might have been wrong then... hang on - will see if i can dig it out from anywhere
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 01:08 AM
toseeunited
 
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Are you sure they were both 11%, I thought another was 15. Anyway...

so 36% + ACS.

Can anyone tell me the 3 rises from the 3 seasons before that?
right...

the 11% each year since the glazers was right - the season before that it was 12% in 05/06.


don't forget that it is interest charged on the previous seasons price - so it is actually a lot bigger than just adding the percentages up

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...nited_fan.html

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Price not right for United fans but just the ticket for Glazers

The government gave the green light to the Glazer's Old Trafford takeover in belief that ticket prices would not increase

David Conn
January 16, 2008 12:46 AM

The government was told that Malcolm Glazer's sons were promising not to raise ticket prices at Old Trafford when the family took over Manchester United in the summer of 2005. Ministers were briefed that the assurance had been given in a meeting by Joel, Avi and Bryan Glazer, and partly in consequence the government was advised not to intervene in the United deal or introduce a requirement that those taking over football clubs prove they are doing so "in the public interest".

Yet since the takeover United's average ticket price has increased 11% in each of the two seasons the Glazers have been responsible for pricing, on top of a 12% increase in 2005-06 which came into force before they took charge. Those hikes, combined with the new automatic cup scheme, which forces season ticket holders to buy a seat for every cup match, have become the most resented features of the new regime, with many fans saying they can no longer afford the prices.

In written advice to the then sports minister, Richard Caborn, in July 2005, released by the government after a request by a United supporter under the Freedom of Information Act, an unnamed civil servant, believed to be a senior adviser in the department for culture, media and sport, wrote that "the Glazers ... have indicated that ticket prices will not be raised". Summarising the background to the takeover, the adviser said that in meetings in early July 2005 with the FA, Premier League and government "the Glazers took the opportunity to offer reassurances ... that ticket prices will not automatically rise".

That advice on ticket prices, combined with the Glazers' promise to keep United within the Premier League's collective arrangement to sell TV rights and to make "significant funds" available to buy players, persuaded Caborn not to push for a "public interest" rule.

United, however, reject the government's record of that meeting. "It would be unthinkable for any business to promise not to raise prices at all," said Phil Townsend, United's spokesman, who was at the June 2005 meeting Caborn held with the Glazer brothers and David Gill, United's chief executive. "Our notes show that ticket prices were mentioned only in passing. The main thrust was collective selling of TV rights and the maintenance of community programmes, and the owners gave reassurance on both."

Townsend added that the discussion on ticket prices had been similar to the comments Joel Glazer made the following day on United's in-house channel MUTV - still the only interview the Glazer family has given to explain its purchase of United.

"This club's ticket prices will always be competitive with other ticket prices in the Premier League," Joel said. "We are not looking to outprice the supporters because if you do that you have lost the lifeblood of this club ... The game has to remain affordable for everybody and we'll continue to carry on that tradition."

United argue that the 76,000 sell-outs at Old Trafford demonstrate they have honoured that commitment, and that tickets, despite the increases, remain affordable to most. At £25-£44 they clearly are competitive with other Premier League clubs.

"For the quality of football, we believe £25 is a very good deal," Townsend said. "We're proud of the spread of ticket prices, with juniors paying only £10."

The civil servant who gave the advice to Caborn has since left the DCMS, which was unable to confirm precisely what had been said at the meeting. Caborn himself, who was succeeded as sports minister by Gerry Sutcliffe last June, agreed that ticket prices had not been discussed extensively but said he was "very disappointed" that United had since increased them so steeply. He regards the price rises as a betrayal of the political support he gave the Premier League in its battle with the European Commission to maintain collective selling of its TV rights.

At the time there were genuine fears that the EC would succeed in banning the 20 clubs, on competition grounds, from selling their matches together as one league, then sharing the money out. Instead each club would sell their own matches, meaning the big clubs would make much more money than the rest, destroying the sharing which maintains the 20 clubs at least on the same financial planet, if far from on a level playing field.

Many in football then feared the Glazers would break United out of the collective arrangement, to keep all the money, and Caborn pressed them for a commitment not to do so. They agreed, saying they were happy with the Premier League's system, and the UK government backed the Premier League at the highest level in Brussels, ultimately successfully. The EC climbed down, allowing the clubs to sell their rights collectively, with only limited competition to BSkyB's monopoly required. The Premier League then reaped its staggering £2.7bn 2007-10 deal, worth £40m on average per season to each club. Caborn argued that the bonanza should help subsidise ticket prices to families and younger people who, paying full price from the age of 16 at most clubs, have largely been priced out of the grounds.

Several clubs who were struggling to fill their grounds did reduce prices; some, including Chelsea, froze them, but United imposed double-figures increases.

"I felt it was my duty to challenge the Glazers on collective selling," Caborn said. "They gave an absolute assurance they would maintain it. The clubs received a windfall and I said the money should enable them to reduce ticket prices to people who couldn't afford it. I am disappointed that was not followed as vigorously as it could have been."

Sutcliffe, himself lambasted after criticising United's ticket prices last November, says he stands by his comments, including that "ordinary working people face being priced out".

Supporters' groups who opposed the takeover argued that the Glazers would load United with the debts the family took on to buy the club and would increase prices to fans to help pay the interest. Despite the success on and off the field at Old Trafford now, they believe they have been proved right - £525m debt is secured on the club. Gill, announcing record income of £245m last week, accepted that, from the £62.5m post-tax operating profit, £42m was paid out in interest. A further £135m debt, rolling up annual interest of 14% (£20m) a year, is secured on other Glazer assets, but they are seeking to load that on to United too when market conditions enable them to refinance.

Gill argued that a prime benefit of the takeover had been to speed up decisions, so that players such as Owen Hargreaves, Carlos Tevez, Nani and Anderson last summer could be signed quickly rather than having to be approved by two boards as when United were a plc. United, football's powerhouse commercial machine, are clearly making enough money from TV and their fans currently to service the interest, but many fans, paying 38% more for tickets than three seasons ago, plus the ACS, still struggle to accept the takeover.

In the advice to Caborn his civil servant wrote: "There is a great deal of work for the Glazers to do in terms of winning over the fans." For all the exuberant brilliance of Sir Alex Ferguson's team, that remains a work in progress.

Owners under scrutiny

The advice to Richard Caborn and Gerry Sutcliffe, then a minister at the Department for Trade and Industry, reveals that civil servants were adamantly opposed to a new rule subjecting club buyers to more stringent checks on their financing and intentions. The DTI said any such measure would "raise difficult questions," including having to justify "why sport is special compared to other industries". Yet a growing body of campaigners argues that clubs should be treated differently from purely commercial companies. Philip French, the chief executive of Supporters Direct, said: "The authorities deserve credit for introducing 'fit and proper person' tests for owners and directors. But consideration should now be given to requiring greater transparency on who owns a club, its debt and potential owners' commitments and ambitions for a club."

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Unread 30-01-2008, 01:34 AM
waynes ear's
 
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i really feel for the long time ST holders now, i had a mad thought earlier about this scenario and how its going to pan out

like on heroes, Isaac Mendez

a future full of empty souls and a past full of heroes

for shame the edwards family, for shame magner, for shame david gill, for shame bobby, for shame alex

and £#%&! the GLAZERS
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 01:37 AM
Sloppy
 
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Originally Posted by waynes ear's
i really feel for the long time ST holders now, i had a mad thought earlier about this scenario and how its going to pan out

like on heroes, Isaac Mendez

a future full of empty souls and a past full of heroes

for shame the edwards family, for shame magner, for shame david gill, for shame bobby, for shame alex

and £#%&! the GLAZERS
Indeed.This will be the end for most i bet.Welcome to numpty central from now on.
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 01:56 AM
Enjoying Insanity
 
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Originally Posted by toseeunited
since the glazers it's been:

06/07 11%
07/08 11%
08/09 15%
IF you compound the interest, then it is far worse than that.....

From day one, it works out at about a 44% rise in ticket price....
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 02:05 AM
toseeunited
 
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IF you compound the interest, then it is far worse than that.....

From day one, it works out at about a 44% rise in ticket price....
yeah cos it's added year on year to the previous season's price as opposed to the original price.
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 07:09 AM
Whalefish
 
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I suspect an awful lot will be handing them in this Summer when the price increase happens. There's no waiting list, 000s waiting for a season ticket so it could well be the beginning of the end.

Not that they realise, give a shit etc but we already know that.
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 08:17 AM
Whip Hubley
 
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even if i wanted to keep the ST i share, the atmosphere will be so completely £#%&!ed (as a lot will prob give theirs up) it won't even be worth going.


does anyone, i mean anyone have some kind of scenario where this has a happy ending and everyone who wants to go to old trafford to sing and support their team can do so?
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 09:15 AM
ScholesScoresGoals2
 
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even if i wanted to keep the ST i share, the atmosphere will be so completely £#%&!ed (as a lot will prob give theirs up) it won't even be worth going.


does anyone, i mean anyone have some kind of scenario where this has a happy ending and everyone who wants to go to old trafford to sing and support their team can do so?
Exactly the reason I don't go as regualar anymore.
The cost is one reason the other is the appalling atmosphere and complete £#%&!wits around you.

There is more atmosphere in the boozer.
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 09:20 AM
El Calafate
 
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watching utd in the pub > watching utd at OT

nft.
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 09:27 AM
Magic Kenny
 
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Originally Posted by toseeunited
Without this turning into another "I said the Glazers would raise the prices" etc etc thread - I wanted to pass on info that has been passed out of OT today...

After my other thread: http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64264 something else was mentioned in the conversation...

ST's going up by 15% come renewal time, and ACS is here to stay.

Obsiously hopefully this is %@#$&!s, but my £722 ST will now be £108.30 more expensive meaning I have to find £830.30 before ACS

Thats me out then.
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 09:34 AM
believe
 
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Originally Posted by El Calafate
watching utd in the pub > watching utd at OT

nft.
i never thought i would agree with this numptie. nft
 
Unread 30-01-2008, 09:34 AM
Qwertyuiop
 
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Originally Posted by toseeunited
Without this turning into another "I said the Glazers would raise the prices" etc etc thread - I wanted to pass on info that has been passed out of OT today...

After my other thread: http://www.utdforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64264 something else was mentioned in the conversation...

ST's going up by 15% come renewal time, and ACS is here to stay.

Obsiously hopefully this is %@#$&!s, but my £722 ST will now be £108.30 more expensive meaning I have to find £830.30 before ACS
I've already decided to £#%&! my season ticket off this year, however thats just £#%&!ing scandalous.
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