Lingard being a thoroughly decent chap..

Originally Posted by utd99

Believe me, I’m not gagging to get him in the team either, but how many games do we create £#%&! all without at least trying something different?

You’ve obviously got more time for Lingard than me, but let’s be honest now, when you see his name on the team sheet do you have any hope whatsoever that he’ll be the answer to anything? How can this be the case at Man Utd? Even a kid like Gomes you’d have some hope.

As mentioned, his movement is great () which does create space for Pogba etc. Take him out and move Pogba forward and the opposition just sit on Pogba (as PSG did at OT after Lingard went off) and we’re £#%&!ed. He desperately needed upgrading nqat, so did Matic, Herrera and Mata. Here we are.

This lad's marketing team will be having panic meetings first thing on Monday to see how they can save the brand, which is fast becoming toxic.

Looks like the #JLingz movement will be as short-lived as Dasani water in the UK.

Originally Posted by Clownbones

Are you sure you didn't see the game?...

Sadly we have all seen the game

Originally Posted by dunk

As mentioned, his movement is great () which does create space for Pogba etc. Take him out and move Pogba forward and the opposition just sit on Pogba (as PSG did at OT after Lingard went off) and we’re £#%&!ed. He desperately needed upgrading nqat, so did Matic, Herrera and Mata. Here we are.

You attack as a team these days. It’s not just about quality in the final third or a creative number 10.

I appreciate the extra energy this season but I would love us to look like we have had a coaching session.

Originally Posted by dunk

As mentioned, his movement is great () which does create space for Pogba etc. Take him out and move Pogba forward and the opposition just sit on Pogba (as PSG did at OT after Lingard went off) and we’re £#%&!ed. He desperately needed upgrading nqat, so did Matic, Herrera and Mata. Here we are.

Or, he plays a more mobile number 10 who eases the burden of pogba being the only creative player and force the opposition to mark both and therefore resulting in the opposition becoming more stretched and open

Originally Posted by Dasilvatwins

Or, he plays a more mobile number 10 who eases the burden of pogba being the only creative player and force the opposition to mark both and therefore resulting in the opposition becoming more stretched and open

Yes. But we haven’t got one.

Words fail me that he is our creative fulcrum

He encapsulates the decline of our club

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

You attack as a team these days. It’s not just about quality in the final third or a creative number 10.

I appreciate the extra energy this season but I would love us to look like we have had a coaching session.

Yep. Any kind of attacking plan would be lovely.

Originally Posted by dunk

Yes. But we haven’t got one.

Worth trying fred or gomes or move james in the middle and play greenwood on the wing? Try something different. Ole is the managee ,change the formation . Dont just do the same thing when its so obvious it doesnt work. 3 wins in 15? Moyes levels crapness

Anybody is better thank lingard who offers nothing in a game

All our forwards get the ball and then it’s head down and run

That’s it. They’re all playing their own game. No idea what we do in training.

Set pieces are erratic and terrible. No planning. Our strategy to build attacks is slow and ponderous.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

All our forwards get the ball and then it’s head down and run

That’s it. They’re all playing their own game. No idea what we do in training.

Set pieces are erratic and terrible. No planning. Our strategy to build attacks is slow and ponderous.

None of them excel in any technical skillset with regards to football.

At best martial and rashford dribble. But ultimately they are speed merchants

None of them show great movement, have a great head on them, show good close control in tight spaces or have great composure.

Even berbatov who some people disliked could finish well, and had a worldclass first touch.


Their best attributes are physical. Which means £#%&! all really if nobody else on the team can play football.

They get a free ride whilst pogba is hammered.
Yes pogba hasnt been the best, but he offers himself each and every time and tries to do something. You cant argue pogba isnt technically skilled.

The amount of times he is sold short by these shit@#%&!s and has to make up a yard is crazy

It’s possible they are getting coached and are simply not good enough to pull it off. I’m wondering how many managers we’re going to have to hire before one of them starts trying to coach the players.

Originally Posted by utd99

It’s possible they are getting coached and are simply not good enough to pull it off. I’m wondering how many managers we’re going to have to hire before one of them starts trying to coach the players.

Could have had Poch...

Originally Posted by windy waffles

Could have had Poch...

And within three weeks the hysteria crowd would have been talking about trophies and asking whether he does any coaching with our forwards.

We’ve lost the plot mate.

Hes £#%&!ing terrible.. hate him! that shite before the West Ham game on the bus.. Must win game or nothing.. Hes dicking around thinking its all a joke. Keano would of snapped his head off.

one of the 'viruses'

He's a Championship level player, on two hundred grand a week.

Get rid while people still think he's half decent. A club like Everton might take him, before they realise their mistake.

Originally Posted by utd99

It’s possible they are getting coached and are simply not good enough to pull it off. I’m wondering how many managers we’re going to have to hire before one of them starts trying to coach the players.

You'd see signs of that being the case were it true. It's still early so judgement should be reserved, but those stories from the summer everyone was happy to dismiss about training being running more than anything could come back under scrutiny.

You can always see a side that has been well prepared but doesn't have the quality or enough belief to fulfil the approach entirely. We saw it in Van Gaal's second season. In fact that's the only time United have looked well coached in years. But you do need both parts. No good having the right approach or preparation if a) the players aren't buying it b) they aren't good enough to perform it regularly.

Very early days this season though. The club was so negative in the summer so it's strange that one defeat should lead to meltdown.

I should imagine we'll get the usual leaks now to the press from various characters within the club.

Originally Posted by Sparky***

I should imagine we'll get the usual leaks now to the press from various characters within the club.

Nah the spin at the moment is 'racism on Twitter because of missed pens'

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

You'd see signs of that being the case were it true. It's still early so judgement should be reserved, but those stories from the summer everyone was happy to dismiss about training being running more than anything could come back under scrutiny.

You can always see a side that has been well prepared but doesn't have the quality or enough belief to fulfil the approach entirely. We saw it in Van Gaal's second season. In fact that's the only time United have looked well coached in years. But you do need both parts. No good having the right approach or preparation if a) the players aren't buying it b) they aren't good enough to perform it regularly.

Very early days this season though. The club was so negative in the summer so it's strange that one defeat should lead to meltdown.

Well certainly fitness was the number one issue to address; our conditioning towards the tail end of last season was shocking. But does anybody truly believe that Solskjaer has come into the club and is not trying to coach our forwards on cohesive attacking play? It’s preposterous.

There isn’t a manager in world football -or has ever existed- that can plan around a poor first touch and awful decision making outside of replacing those players with better ones, and that doesn’t happen overnight. How much better would we look instantly with Eriksen or Dybala in that 10? But if they don’t want to come, they don’t want to come. None of the reasons we’re not as appealing as we once were are down to Ole.

Originally Posted by S/Side.Red

but those stories from the summer everyone was happy to dismiss about training being running more than anything could come back under scrutiny.

They did two weeks of running and fitness work. After that training became more normally balanced. What a surprise, the media grab a comment someone makes about training being unusually fitness heavy at the start and tries to sell it as a mutiny.

The shitshow the team is serving up, has absolutely £#%&! all to do with two weeks fitness training in pre season.